Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[glazeduck]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Lamar is a football player, not a financial expert.  He majored in communications, not business or economics.  Agents are specialists who understand contracts & economics.  He is being foolish to try to save 3% unlike almost all the other guys in the league do because they understand that an expert can get them more than the 3% difference than they can get themselves.  Eventually Lamar will get a big contract but in the meantime, he's giving up a ton of present day dollars.  Agents understand the time value of money theory, knowing a dollar today is worth more than a dollar in the future.  Josh's agent got Josh more than 45 million in present day dollars over what he would have made in 2021 & 2022.  Those present day dollars, if they are invested corrrectly, combined with the remainder of Josh's contract will be worth more even if Lamar gets a bigger contract starting in 2023 because Lamar has played last year on his rookie contract and this year on his 5th year option, while Josh already has 10s of millions more already in his hands.  

 

If Lamar had an agent, he would have received a contract similar to Josh's last year and now it will take him years to catch up with Josh, if he ever does.  Even though he will sign a bigger contract, he's already lost 2 years of a higher income.  .  

To be clear... I'm not necessarily saying he's making a wise decision -- your response is well put (even if the time-value of money has all but been debunked at this point). I think it's also fair to point out that there are MANY athletes who have gone broke because they trusted the wrong people with their money. No, Lamar isn't a financial expert, but he's also the guy making the money so he obviously knows he can trust that guy. Candidly, I don't even know if that's why he's representing himself, but it feels worthy of pointing out.

 

He's playing a game of chicken and could certainly lose -- without experts providing him guidance, you're certainly right in stating that that could certainly be a conceivable -- maybe even inevitable outcome. What I don't think is debatable at this point is that the Ravens have cost themselves money and/or years, by not at least bending earlier. My issue is that there's too many out there running with the narrative that he (a black man) is a moron and should leave it up to "the experts" (typically white men), when he very clearly is not a moron and has, to-date, made good decisions for himself. Maybe some of that is racial, maybe not, I'm certainly not trying to paint everyone looking at this less-than-commonplace decision as racist -- but some of it has that taste to it. It doesn't take a genius to see what's happening with the salaries at the QB position and the extent to which the Ravens have built their offense around him. You need a QB to win in this league, a lesser QB (and person) was just paid a quarter B, guaranteed by a team in your division. That's all leverage. Maybe he should bring in a #s guy to iron out the details, but it feels silly (at best) to act like one of the best players in the world at his position somehow just has no concept of how to value himself...

[atlbillsfan1975]

The fact that they have not signed him says a lot. Baltimore isn’t Cleveland, they are a well run organization, maybe top 3 in the NFL. I think the F.O. Knows that committing big money long term to Jackson is a very risky proposition, and one so far they aren’t willing to take. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

He turned it down. 😝 

[davefan66]

6 hours ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

It's hard for me to evaluate whether he's a passer based on how the team has treated the passing game (and not putting any resources into receiving weapons)

Benchmark?  Rodgers, Mahomes and of course Josh.  
 

is he even in the ballpark with game management, play recognition, pure passing ability, decision making?  Not close.

[davefan66]

3 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

Yeah....he would have made a good WR!

All kidding aside, he is a heck of an athlete.

 

Could he play another position and ball out?  For sure.  If they babysit him every game, feed the right plays and hope it doesn’t go sideways, he’d be decent.  Just not in the top 5, or 10 really.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Agreed, but Lamar was 7-5 with the same injured squad prior to his injury.

 

Huntley has looked good - especially Preseason against Vanilla teams.  Even coming in he has showed well, but even putting up nice numbers - he could not get the wins that Lamar got costing them a shot at the playoffs.

 

 

 

To be fair Lamars last 6 games averaged 19 points per game.  Huntley wasnt doing any worse in the scoring department.  Its not like Lamar was lighting it up. Of Lamars 12 games he only scored over 23 points in 5 of them.  He had just as many games under 20 points as he had over 23. 5 of them.

[QCity]

8 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

Nope they can tag him twice and then move on.
 

Probably be cheaper guarantees and protect themselves from injury or regression 

 

This. Getting locked into a long term contract with a running QB is a terrible investment.

[Doc]

I doubt any team offers him $45M/year on a 5 year fully guaranteed contract.  Meaning no out for injuries. 

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The fact that they have not signed him says a lot. Baltimore isn’t Cleveland, they are a well run organization, maybe top 3 in the NFL. I think the F.O. Knows that committing big money long term to Jackson is a very risky proposition, and one so far they aren’t willing to take. 

I think none of us know what in the world Jackson is doing behind the scenes so it’s nearly impossible to apply “this is how a negotiation normally goes” logic to this one.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, lot of stupid organizations out there.

 

All of them rolled their eyes at the contract the Browns gave Watson.  If Lamar is truly looking for a fully-guaranteed contract, I doubt anyone gives him one.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

If they make the playoffs he may get an extension 

 

if not??

 

How long will Roman remain OC? 
 

Will he succeed if or when Roman departs?

 

[HappyDays]

My bold prediction is that he will be the Dolphins QB in 2023. I think he would be a good fit for Mike McDaniel's scheme and we know that team is desperate for a QB that can at least try to keep up with Josh Allen.

[BillsfaninSB]

Lamar is crazy.  If the contract is something similar to Murray’s, sign it!  Is it worth the risk just to get a few more $$?  Who cares.  He would be set for life and not have to deal with it anymore both for his sake and that of the teams.  Now it is hanging over his head.

I wonder if the Ravens are significantly low balling him. 

[Commish]

I didn't hear anyone complaining when these players represented themselves in contract negotiations:

 

https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/sports/nfl-players-negotiated-own-contracts-did/

 

What's the difference? Lamar Jackson is a starting quarterback who has won the MVP - the amount of money involved is staggeringly different. And I don't know if he's smart or not, but a 13 Wonderlic score doesn't suggest Rhodes Scholar material. I hope [and expect] that - even if he doesn't have an agent - he's got a top contract attorney working on the language.

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, Commish said:

I didn't hear anyone complaining when these players represented themselves in contract negotiations:

 

https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/sports/nfl-players-negotiated-own-contracts-did/

 

What's the difference? Lamar Jackson is a starting quarterback who has won the MVP - the amount of money involved is staggeringly different. And I don't know if he's smart or not, but a 13 Wonderlic score doesn't suggest Rhodes Scholar material. I hope [and expect] that - even if he doesn't have an agent - he's got a top contract attorney working on the language.

Awhile back I did read that he was having his contracts reviews by lawyers. That was likely in reference to his rookie deal. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, lot of stupid organizations out there.

"Hello dere!"

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

If they make the playoffs he may get an extension 

 

if not??

 

How long will Roman remain OC? 
 

Will he succeed if or when Roman departs?

 

 

he's made the playoffs 3 times (1 win).  And no extension

[billsfan_34]

21 hours ago, wppete said:

Hire a damn agent like all elite athletes do. 

He will learn a pricey lesson very soon. 

Can’t fix stupid!

[Chicken Boo]

21 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else.

 

Pittsburgh...but then he'd be a wanted man in Baltimore. 

21 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Pretty sure he can’t go anywhere if he’s tagged.

 

If he wants serious money, dude needs to step up his game. He’s got skills.  I just don’t see him as top 5, and maybe just outside the top 10.  Not a pure passer.
 

Josh elevates his teammates.  Josh is a stud.  Lamar certainly is no Josh.

 

Lamar is definitely a leader and he wins.  That's all that matters.

[davefan66]

25 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

 

Lamar is definitely a leader and he wins.  That's all that matters.

He may be a leader, he may win.  He is nowhere near as good as the top QB’s in the league.  When a game is on the line, who would you want? Josh? Rodgers?  Mahomes? or Lamar?  Me?  I’ll take Josh of course.