Are you concerned about Elam?

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, gordong said:

4.39 quick but not the same speed as hill. hills 40 time was 4.29 

No one has the same game speed as hill regardless of 40 time

[gordong]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

No one has the same game speed as hill regardless of 40 time

exactly. 

[TheBrownBear]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Elam has looked pretty good when the ball comes his direction. So has Benford for that regard.

Yep.  It's early, but it appears that Beane knocked it out of the park when it comes to addressing our offseason CB depth needs.

[strive_for_five_guy]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Had a nice game imo on MNF. Will likely start Sunday assuming Dane is out. Interesting that he was essentially drafted to match up with this type of WR with his speed and size, and ability to play man (even if the Bills play zone this week, all zone eventually turns to man with a hill/waddle WR. We did not have anyone like him previously. Should be a great early test. 

You mean Elam as a “depth pick” might actually have been worth it for us?

[PrimeTime101]

I have 0 concerns about Elam. Some people are slow learners but when they learn they are outstanding players. Some take a year. some take a few years. Elam will be great and I can see both CB's turn into 1A 1B down the road.

[BringBackFlutie]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No one has the same game speed as hill regardless of 40 time

 

This. And also 40 times under 4.3 are like, historically rare. If you run in the 4.3s you're in the top tier.

[boyst]

So I am playing both off of the LOS. I am playing him outside shoulder and Benford head over.

 

If I am switching sides I put Benford paired with Johnson to zone cover half the field. Hyde + Elam on Hill in most cases with Poyer deep reading the QB

 

In nickel sets this means our LB's will have to be effective against their slot and/or TE. geiseki eats when he plays us but he has not been good yet. Maybe he changes his tune this week.

 

Taron Johnson in nickel can cover most of the middle with the inside routes. The handoff there should Hill come shallow is easy, Johnson + Hyde. It has worked before. Outside and deeper we have Elam play with his smarts and play that zone coming off of man. As pointed out zone eventually becomes man coverage. But man becomes zone when you are left without a target.

 

This is where, if I am Miami I bring Hill across all day and let Geiseki go to the abandoned spot Elam tends to give up in zone coverage. It's a tight window but Tuglova has shown he is capable right now.

 

***** I am fragmented here....

 

With Milano and Edmunds I am letting them read and react with Edmunds finding the ball cleanly. He's been doing that. If he gets sucked up by OL I will be concerned. I rush Milano early in the game, tooo. I want to show a new look, a new wrinkle. Something Tugalova doesn't know yet, and I don't disguise it. I do it as a presnap read where it's clear Milano is coming and let him get hit.

 

With Poyer behind all of this able to see the play he will find and dedicate his time to Waddle and whatever other scrub they throw out there. And if Miami is reading this yeah I don't even care to know how to spell your QBs name so eff your 3rd WR.

 

 

[Big Turk]

33 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

You mean Elam as a “depth pick” might actually have been worth it for us?

 

There is a reason why Benford has been more ready than Elam...he played in almost the same scheme in college while Elam never played zone coverage and had to learn it from scratch. This has nothing to do with what the Bills think of Elam talent wise. Anyone stating otherwise simply is grasping for something right now and doesn't understand context or why it's important in this case.

26 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

So I am playing both off of the LOS. I am playing him outside shoulder and Benford head over.

 

If I am switching sides I put Benford paired with Johnson to zone cover half the field. Hyde + Elam on Hill in most cases with Poyer deep reading the QB

 

In nickel sets this means our LB's will have to be effective against their slot and/or TE. geiseki eats when he plays us but he has not been good yet. Maybe he changes his tune this week.

 

Taron Johnson in nickel can cover most of the middle with the inside routes. The handoff there should Hill come shallow is easy, Johnson + Hyde. It has worked before. Outside and deeper we have Elam play with his smarts and play that zone coming off of man. As pointed out zone eventually becomes man coverage. But man becomes zone when you are left without a target.

 

This is where, if I am Miami I bring Hill across all day and let Geiseki go to the abandoned spot Elam tends to give up in zone coverage. It's a tight window but Tuglova has shown he is capable right now.

 

***** I am fragmented here....

 

With Milano and Edmunds I am letting them read and react with Edmunds finding the ball cleanly. He's been doing that. If he gets sucked up by OL I will be concerned. I rush Milano early in the game, tooo. I want to show a new look, a new wrinkle. Something Tugalova doesn't know yet, and I don't disguise it. I do it as a presnap read where it's clear Milano is coming and let him get hit.

 

With Poyer behind all of this able to see the play he will find and dedicate his time to Waddle and whatever other scrub they throw out there. And if Miami is reading this yeah I don't even care to know how to spell your QBs name so eff your 3rd WR.

 

 

 

I would let Edmunds and Milano roam free and annihilate the Dolphin receivers on crossers...Tua still makes throws he shouldn't make and lets his mind write checks his arm can't cash.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Big Turk

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

There is a reason why Benford has been more ready than Elam...he played in almost the same scheme in college while Elam never played zone coverage and had to learn it from scratch. This has nothing to do with what the Bills think of Elam talent wise. Anyone stating otherwise simply is grasping for something right now and doesn't understand context or why it's important in this case.

Some people just like to complain and bring others down

[RoyBatty is alive]

48 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

You mean Elam as a “depth pick” might actually have been worth it for us?

Give us a break, he is a rookie.

[boyst]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

There is a reason why Benford has been more ready than Elam...he played in almost the same scheme in college while Elam never played zone coverage and had to learn it from scratch. This has nothing to do with what the Bills think of Elam talent wise. Anyone stating otherwise simply is grasping for something right now and doesn't understand context or why it's important in this case.

 

I would let Edmunds and Milano roam free and annihilate the Dolphin receivers on crossers...Tua still makes throws he shouldn't make and lets his mind write checks his arm can't cash.

agree. i'd start the game with Milano rushing early to give Tugalova a look he doesn't recognize and hadn't prepared for - the fins OL is sus.

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

agree. i'd start the game with Milano rushing early to give Tugalova a look he doesn't recognize and hadn't prepared for - the fins OL is sus.

If the Finn's oline sucks i would just let the front four go to town lust like vs the Rams and flood the secondary, dont let anything get behind us, total upset of the Q4 Minnesota defensive strategy last Sunday.

Edited September 21, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Give us a break, he is a rookie.

 

He (she?) was being facetious about being a "depth pick."

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

Elam has made some nice tackles. Opposite of his rep leading up to the draft. 

[Buffalo Junction]

52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No one has the same game speed as hill regardless of 40 time

As far as DBs go….. maybe Eric Stokes (4.25)? Dude has the uncanny ability to turn the burners on and run by WRs on deep routes. Can’t think of anyone else playing CB now. 
 

Historically, Deion Sanders and Darrell Green come to mind. 

[gobills404]

 

[wppete]

Yes. He makes Deon Sanders look like a star tackler. Elam just can’t tackle and doesn’t have the will to do so. 

[SCBills]

Elam will be starting next to Tre White when he comes back.   
 

Elam and Morris lost in the shuffle as guys who have really impressed early season. 
 

Edited September 26, 2022 by SCBills

[gobills404]

26 minutes ago, wppete said:

Yes. He makes Deon Sanders look like a star tackler. Elam just can’t tackle and doesn’t have the will to do so. 

He’s 5th on the team in tackles

Just lying for no reason

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

He’s 5th on the team in tackles

Just lying for no reason

 

I assumed it was sarcasm.  If not, yeah WTF?