2022 MVP: Mahomes wins. Allen gets 1 vote? (42 TDs, 19 TOs, 315 YPG & 63.3%% Comp %--EOY talk 54+)

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

It's time for the NFL to introduce new awards. I'm tired of seeing QBs get MVP. Let's split it up. The Oscars do it that way.

 

"The Most Valuable Player for QBs goes to...."

"The Most Valuable Player for RBs goes to....."

"The Most Valuable Player for WRs goes to...."

 

And so on. It's time for the MVP to be in categories. NFL and the fans all win in this.

They already do this, it’s called All Pro

[mjt328]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I know what Peter King thinks and he isn't wrong. But even among national writers the narrative matters.

 

MVP voters are going to be swayed heavily by what happens during the final month of the season.  With a strong finish, I could definitely see Josh Allen still walking away with this thing.

 

No matter what anyone says, Jalen Hurts will absolutely drift behind in peoples minds if he ends up missing the final three games (which sounds entirely possible).  His overall yards/touchdowns are already a little below the other top candidates, and this injury could increase that spread.  If the Eagles lose 1-2 games, it knocks a little luster off that team's season (even if he's not actually playing).  If they win without him, it decreases the appearance of his value to the team.  Lose-Lose situation.

 

Patrick Mahomes still has the slight statistical edge over Allen in yards/touchdowns.  If we count passing + rushing, he's only ahead by 247 yards and 2 scores.  A few weeks ago, the big knock on Allen was interceptions.  They are now equal in that category.  The Bills won the head-to-head matchup and are currently the #1 seed in the AFC, ahead of the Chiefs.  Team success is always a major factor in MVP voting.

 

In my opinion, this is what Allen needs in order to secure the MVP award:

- The Bills finish the season 3-0, securing the #1 seed (while also giving him another win over a top QB in Joe Burrow)

- Flashy scoring stats.  I'm thinking 9-10 more touchdowns (giving him 45 overall), and hopefully no more INTs.  Maybe 800-900 more combined yards.

- Have an MVP-quality game against the Bengals, with everyone in the country watching.

 

FYI - Allen is also exactly 1000 yards away from the current NFL record for combined passing/rushing yards.  Breaking any record is a significant achievement that would help in winning the MVP.  It's within striking distance for both Allen and Mahomes.

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by mjt328

[GoBills808]

21 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Ummm... it's not Joe Schmoe who votes for MVP. It's guys who pay attention across the league, like Peter King, who is one of the voters. Here's what he just said in MMQB:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/19/chandler-jones-raiders-immaculate-reception-peter-king-fmia-week-15/

This is by far the toughest week I’ve had in the divining of the MVP. The top three could be in any order, and number four could be number one by season’s end. My list:

 

Jalen Hurts, QB, Philadelphia (13-1). Takes what the D gives him, and on Sunday in Chicago, the D gave him the run. Hurts ran for three scores, and the Eagles, two games clear of the NFL field this morning, won by five.

 

Patrick Mahomes, QB, Kansas City (11-3). Four more TD throws and 477 more passing yards than anyone in the game, and his 87.8-percent completion rate Sunday is the best in history for a passer with more than 40 attempts in a game. “If he’s not the MVP, I don’t know who is,” Andy Reid told me. “He took a whole new group of [receivers] and got them ready to win. Think about it. Who are we going to in the passing game? [Travis] Kelce. Now [Mecole] Hardman’s hurt. Then who? They’re all new. Patrick worked all off-season to get those guys ready and look at the results.”

 

Josh Allen, QB, Buffalo (11-3). Played a masterful game Saturday night, coming back from eight points down in the fourth quarter as Buffalo basically ended the race in the AFC East by beating Miami. Allen has a great sense of when to hang in the pocket and when to scramble.

When I watch the Chiefs I always get the distinct impression that making sure Patrick Mahomes has the best statistics and case for MVP every year matters a lot to Reid

[mjt328]

On 12/19/2022 at 2:48 PM, Buffalo Ballin said:

Aim for Super Bowl MVP. Not regular season MVP.

 

Absolutely.  

But it would be awesome for our QB to get such a prestigious award.  Our last MVP was Thurman Thomas in 1991.

[Orlando Buffalo]

On 12/19/2022 at 3:49 PM, 4thandGoal said:

You forgot to list turnovers and rushing yards. Having one loss as well doesnt hurt Hurts...  MVP is going to Hurts!

If I had to pick right now it is clearly Hurts but we have a few weeks left and if he implodes vs Dallas it will make the last few weeks matter. If he smokes Dallas then the race is over.

[The Wiz]

20 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am sure that that is all that Josh Allen cares about that being said, is there really another dominant team like ours that relies so much on their QB like we do people might argue Mahomes but it’s definitely between those two

Well we cant at least find out a little bit about the Eagles if Hurts is out for the next game or 2.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

In my opinion, this is what Allen needs in order to secure the MVP award:

- The Bills finish the season 3-0, securing the #1 seed (while also giving him another win over a top QB in Joe Burrow)

- Flashy scoring stats.  I'm thinking 9-10 more touchdowns (giving him 45 overall), and hopefully no more INTs.  Maybe 800-900 more combined yards.

- Have an MVP-quality game against the Bengals, with everyone in the country watching.

 

 

He needs that and Hurts either to miss 3 game or have a clunker. My view is that most minds are pretty much made up by now. Would take a lot to change them.

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He needs that and Hurts either to miss 3 game or have a clunker. My view is that most minds are pretty much made up by now. Would take a lot to change them.

 

The media only focuses on the here and now. Which is fine. Wait until that Monday night game against the Bengals comes and goes. That is an absolutely massive game with high stakes.

 

It will play large into the mvp narrative.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

The media only focuses on the here and now. Which is fine. Wait until that Monday night game against the Bengals comes and goes. That is an absolutely massive game with high stakes.

 

It will play large into the mvp narrative.

 

As a former member of the media I am not sure that is true. Narratives are written and they take a lot to come off them. I don't disagree that a huge game against Cincy could do it... but at this point Allen is still a relative long shot.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

When I watch the Chiefs I always get the distinct impression that making sure Patrick Mahomes has the best statistics and case for MVP every year matters a lot to Reid

Hurts has the # 1 graded offense (PFF) supporting him. Mahomes has the #2 graded offense supporting him.. Burrows has the #4 rated offense supporting him.  Josh is stuck with the #14 graded offense supporting him.  Hurts, Mahomes, and Burrows would struggle to make the playoffs if they were on the Bills instead of Allen.  Regardless of what some nutbag voters decide, Allen is the best player in the NFl, the best QB in the NFl, the most important player to his team in the NFL, and asked to do do more than any other player in the NFL.  Allen is the MVP, and its not close. 

[QCity]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My view is that most minds are pretty much made up by now. 

 

 

Not at all. I've been posting lines each week in this thread and it's crazy how much they've moved with the Hurts injury. He needs to play.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, QCity said:

 

Not at all. I've been posting lines each week in this thread and it's crazy how much they've moved with the Hurts injury. He needs to play.

 

But the betting lines don't make the decision. The voters do.

[CorkScrewHill]

Josh will be hurt this year and likely every year by a few things.

 

1) The Bills will always play in some rougher weather games than any other quarterback and that will hurt the stats (completions due to wind taking the ball, slippery footballs that are dropped, etc.)

 

2) He is not a risk averse quarterback. he takes chances which often result in ridiculous (no Josh, no Josh, YES Josh plays) but also leads to more turnover worthy plays. This leads to the adrenaline rush Josh takes that stand out in the voters minds.

 

I am certain he will win an MVP or two over his career, but I would not wager on which year that would be. I think he has no shot this year.  He will be in the top 5, but unlikely in the top 2.

 

I would love to see him win it this year, but having a QB that is always in the conversation means we have a team that is always in contention. I vividly remember being in my basement with my son, who had never seen the Bills in the playoffs and us backing in in 2017 .. it was such a huge relief, but it felt like a one-off.  The team is now belittled for this and that while holding an 11-3 record which is good for tops in the AFC .. with wins over all the other top 9 AFC teams except the Bengals who we play next week and the Chargers who we will not play. Two of the key victories coming on the road at KC and at Balt.

 

Go Bills and fingers crossed for a big swing toward Josh in the MVP race.

Edited December 21, 2022 by CorkScrewHill

[QCity]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But the betting lines don't make the decision. The voters do.

 

And the betting lines reflect that.

[Billsfan1972]

13 hours ago, Chaos said:

Hurts has the # 1 graded offense (PFF) supporting him. Mahomes has the #2 graded offense supporting him.. Burrows has the #4 rated offense supporting him.  Josh is stuck with the #14 graded offense supporting him.  Hurts, Mahomes, and Burrows would struggle to make the playoffs if they were on the Bills instead of Allen.  Regardless of what some nutbag voters decide, Allen is the best player in the NFl, the best QB in the NFl, the most important player to his team in the NFL, and asked to do do more than any other player in the NFL.  Allen is the MVP, and its not close. 

He was the the pre-season favourite and frankly while Bills fans see it, pothers may not as he had a mid-season lull (Redzone and Int issues), that effectively ended his chances.

 

Chaos great stats, especially liked the running stats and just how important Allen is.  

 

Regardless Bills fans know the conditions he's played in and when push came to shove vs. KC, Buffalo won.

 

Regardless Cincy will be big and if the Bills run the table I will say what costs him the award at season's end (right or wrong), was those 2-3 brain freezes vs. Minny (4th down Int, where even I would have taken the FG, the goal line fumble & then the horrendous OT Int, which if he led them to a TD, would probably have him #1).  

 

Take a look at the movement of the line.  Could have had Allen @ 20:1 last week.

 

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/mvp-odds/#:~:text=Odds to Win 2022-23 NFL MVP&text=Patrick Mahomes is currently the favorite to win the 2022,win %2414.50 and return %2464.50.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said:

while holding an 11-3 record which is good for tops in the AFC .. with wins over all the other top 9 AFC teams except the Bengals who we play next week and the Chargers who we will not play. Two of the key victories coming on the road at KC and at Balt.

 

 

It is astounding that we have beat 8 AFC teams (KC,  BAL, CLE, PIT, MIA, NE, NYJ, TEN)  on the way to 11 wins (3-1 against NFC with 1 game to play).    

[4thandGoal]

On 12/19/2022 at 3:51 PM, H2o said:

Hurts has taken over Lamar's spot as the new dual threat sports media darling. 

You are so right and in 2 years-- he will be just like Jackson with injuries and soreness. Only thing saving him is he has good receivers that he can throw the ball too. 

[Alphadawg7]

On 12/19/2022 at 4:56 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Name another QB in the MVP race that has already played 10 games against teams that are currently .500 or better and have went 7-3 in those games. The 3 losses obviously by a total of 8 points.

 

  He's the best player in football, playing on an offense that has no real identity and has very average players outside of Diggs. He has passed or rushed for 36 out of the 42 TDs(85.7%) the offense has scored this year and has 4,562 total yards out of the offenses 5,608(81.3%).

 

 

All reasons why Allen should be serious contender for MVP, unfortunately the people who vote don’t think about it enough like this.  

[HappyDays]

This is a fantastic article from an unbiased writer. I'm not going to copy and paste it. Go read it.

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by HappyDays

[Chaos]

11 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

He was the the pre-season favourite and frankly while Bills fans see it, pothers may not as he had a mid-season lull (Redzone and Int issues), that effectively ended his chances.

 

Chaos great stats, especially liked the running stats and just how important Allen is.  

 

Regardless Bills fans know the conditions he's played in and when push came to shove vs. KC, Buffalo won.

 

Regardless Cincy will be big and if the Bills run the table I will say what costs him the award at season's end (right or wrong), was those 2-3 brain freezes vs. Minny (4th down Int, where even I would have taken the FG, the goal line fumble & then the horrendous OT Int, which if he led them to a TD, would probably have him #1).  

 

Take a look at the movement of the line.  Could have had Allen @ 20:1 last week.

 

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/mvp-odds/#:~:text=Odds to Win 2022-23 NFL MVP&text=Patrick Mahomes is currently the favorite to win the 2022,win %2414.50 and return %2464.50.

Was Mahomes brilliant in KC's three losses.  Was Burrows brilliant in Cincy's four losses? Does Philly even need Hurts?