2022 MVP: Mahomes wins. Allen gets 1 vote? (42 TDs, 19 TOs, 315 YPG & 63.3%% Comp %--EOY talk 54+)

[Process]

4 hours ago, skibum said:

Wow, just when you think Stephen A. Smith can't be any dumber. Trying to make it like Mahomes' game against the Bills was qualified MVP material. Those two picks were bruuuutal! 

 

Until last week, any reasonable person could have given Mahomes the edge, based on his career, 13 seconds, and continued stellar play. He was the reigning MVP candidate until proven otherwise, and that proof was delivered last Sunday.

 

How much evidence do you need?

It's a debate show. It's entertainment. Not actual opinions. They can't all just say Josh Allen, even though everyone knows he is the clear MVP, even Stephen A. It's clear in his answer that he's just making up crap to have a differing opinion for the purpose of the show.

4 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

It occurred to me this week that the KC game might be the difference in MVP voting. If both guys are pretty even the rest of the way that game will most likely be the deciding factor

It was huge. Being the 1 seed is a big factor in the MVP race. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Process

[UKBillFan]

... Oh well, he'll have to make up for it against the Jets.

[GunnerBill]

Yea that 2nd half won't help. But because the team won it will likely get lost in the shuffle come MVP voting time. 

 

But that was his worst game of the year.

[Bangarang]

Gotta flush this turd and destroy the Jets next week

[JGMcD2]

15 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

MVP numbers took a hit with this one...

I swear you sit on this thread and wait for any possibility to suggest Josh isn’t good enough to be MVP. 
 

“No, I just tell you how the voters think.”

Cool, Gene. Appreciate the perspective from a guy casting a ballot. 

[HappyDays]

Allen is winning MVP as long as we end up the #1 seed. One sloppy half changes nothing. Everyone knows he is the main reason we are a Super Bowl contender and he beat his only competition head to head.

[Dr.Sack]

42 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Allen is winning MVP as long as we end up the #1 seed. One sloppy half changes nothing. Everyone knows he is the main reason we are a Super Bowl contender and he beat his only competition head to head.

If Allen gets the #1 seed and finishes strong you gotta like his chances. The best thing is there is no way we get the #1 seed without solid Allen performances. 

[DapperCam]

It will be interesting how much turnovers play into it at the end of the year. I can see Allen leading all volume stats, but also having more turnovers than Mahomes or Hurts.

 

H2H win against the Chiefs really helps the narrative I think.

[Big Blitz]

In Order - distance apart illustrated

 

 

Allen

Mahomes

 

 

Tyreek 

Hurts

 

Henry

 

 

Burrow

 

 

And that’s it.  That’s the list.  

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Turnovers are def an issue if Mahomes finishes with similar record and numbers... Allen just has too many, already.

He has one more than Mahomes after the same number of games.

[ganesh]

6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Turnovers are def an issue if Mahomes finishes with similar record and numbers... Allen just has too many, already.

It is not a big deal if he does not win the MVP....As long as we can win the SB

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

And iirc Mahomes has more passing TD's.

One more. Include rushing and Josh is one ahead.

[Dr.Sack]

Allen is still in the front, but he can’t have too many 2 pick games. It’s ok to throw 1, but 2 picks per game is nasty. Allen needed to throw that 2nd pick into the dirt and take 3 points. It made the game interesting, but I would have preferred 3 points. Going up 30-17 puts the game effectively out of reach. 13/25 2 TDs 2 picks is a below MVP  game. If Allen wants to win MVP he needs to play smarter football. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Such a weird game. Buffalo clearly the dominant team. Allen clearly the dominant QB. Yet, he missed multiple throws he typically routinely hits and threw 2 pretty boneheaded interceptions. And don't accuse me of being overly critical... Josh said so himself.

 

Personally, I expect him to have a spectacular bounce back game next week

 

[transplantbillsfan]

And to be clear, Josh is still the frontrunner for MVP. He was just so friggin far ahead before tonight's game he allowed the rest of the pack to catch up a little.

 

As a tangent, I find posts like this humorous, don't you?

Except this excludes rushing... kinda matters here.

 

Josh 7407 yards

Burrow 6956 yards 

 

Josh 322 YPG

Burrow 302 YPG

 

Josh 61 TDs

Burrow 54 TDs

 

[LABILLBACKER]

Well at least we all agree Aaron Rodgers isn't winning it 3 years in a row. Josh knows tonight's 2nd half he played poorly.  He'll make up for it against the Jets.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

MVP numbers took a hit with this one...

 

A hit... yet despite a mediocre game by his standards he's still the frontrunner... 

 

go figure...

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

A hit... yet despite a mediocre game by his standards he's still the frontrunner... 

 

go figure...

This was the first week of this season where I’m expecting his MVP betting odds to blow out…

 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Gotta flush this turd and destroy the Jets next week

 

I just love that we're saying the turd is a 10 point W over the reigning NFL MVP

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

I would agree with this. But this thread is about MVP, so giving my thoughts on that.

 

Also, I know that passing TD's have always trumped rushing TD's when voting for this award (for QB's), but there seems to be movement on this due to all the multifacited QB's now.

 

 

This just shows ignorance on your part considering Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson.

 

What trumps everything is team record because th QB on the winningest team has the greatest chance to win NFL MVP.

 

And to establish objectivity since you brought it up, were "corrected" but didn't realize you were corrected incorrectly... you're right, Josh has more Turnovers than Patrick. It's 3 more, not 1. There were 2 fumbles lost credited to him... fairly or unfairly. However, Josh has 1 more TD, pretty dead even on yards and most importantly is on the team that has the better record and won the head to head thanks to him, rather than in spite of him.

 

Josh still clearly in the lead.