How much of a drop off is Ken Dorsey from Brian Daboll (if any)?

[billsfan1959]

45 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

First nobody really knows how good or bad Daboll was. Second we know absolutely nothing about Dorsey. Third we have Josh Allen, which makes whoever is calling plays look good. Daboll didn't get beat blocking on 4th and 1 at Tenn and he didn't give up a FG with 13 seconds left. I think the Bills offense will be just fine if the oline stays healthy.  Im more worried about that #1 defense facing real QBs this season.

No, but he did take the ball out of Allen’s hands on 2nd and 3rd downs on two drives in the Divisional game, resulting in two punts. I don’t know about you, but I think, in the most important game of the year, I would rather take my chances with Allen on third down than handing the ball off to Singletary…

[HappyDays]

I trust Allen's opinion on this question more than anyone on the planet. He has said that Dorsey changed the way he saw the game and publicly endorsed him for the job. That's good enough for me.

[buffaloboyinATL]

This has a “match made in heaven” feel to it. Allen and Dorsey have great chemistry, and will build their careers together in the coming years. I am excited to see how they work together. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm excited to see what Dorsey dials up coming from the background of being a fairly successful QB. I think he could elevate Josh's game to a whole new level. Let's ***** go.

[Warriorspikes51]

Air Raid Attack? 

[El Guapo]

Would anyone be upset if Daboll had stayed here?  I wouldn’t be, and I would have been happy for the continuity.  No one should underestimate what he did here. 
 

that being said, I think Dorsey will be fine. Josh has a long leash. 

[billsbackto81]

Zero drop. Dorsey has the benefit of having watched Daboll's success and mishaps over the past 3 years. He won't have to start Josh on training wheels like Daboll with a sub par O line in the beginning. He should be able to hit the ground running because of his chemistry with Josh, familiarity with the personnel and upgraded talent on the O line. I think the whole different OC discussion is over blown and Dorsey is in a great situation to set his mark as an up and coming play caller.

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I personally hated Dabolls play calling.  When it worked, it was great.  He was just so slow in adjusting play calling.  Tampa Bay game last year is a perfect example.  Changes should have been made in the first half of that game yet, waited until the second half.  I thought he was stubborn and tried to force things at times.  The Jet sweep all but disappeared last year.  Why?

 

Anyway, I suspect Dorsey will be better.

 

Daboll seemed to be stubbornly loyal to his weekly game-plans. Luckily, he devised a lot of good plans to attack opposing defenses. 

 

The problems arose when for whatever reason those plans didn't work. I can remember too many games where Daboll failed to help his offensive linemen, especially, win their matchups due to repetitive or predictable play-calling. That week one Pittsburgh game last year, just dropping back repeatedly and letting some gifted Pitt specimens tee off on a middling group of protectors. Daryl Williams and Cody Ford and Ike Boettger need a little help against the likes of Watt, Heyward, Ingram, etc. 

 

I've always envied more intuitive play callers, who have a more consistent system and set of packages and plays they rely on. Have a plan, but feel the game more. Respond to what IS happening on the field, rather than what you predicted SHOULD happen on the field. Marry the run and the pass more fundamentally so that plays look the same and defenders have less idea what's coming. 

[HOUSE]

9 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

House I have a ton of respect for you but man.

 

This is your sarcasm at its best, yes?

 

If not? the only way, we lose McD is not making it to the SB. do you predict that? tell me it aint so

It ain't so....

[IndyMark]

Daboll was average at best; let us not forget game one last year, too many head scratching OC plays to count, yet the 4th quarter 4th down play call was cause for termination. Let us not hold Dorsey to a higher standard.

 

Daboll was not even in the top 3 or even arguably top 5 in Josh's development.....Palmer, Dorsey (as you know, QB coach), Beasley/Diggs, veteran leaders at the time like Lee Smith, McDermott/Beane...that is 5 right there, off the cuff.

 

Daboll and Allen's first year together, by all accounts, was not smooth in any way. Hence, the move upstairs.

 

They viewed each other in vastly different lights...case in point, during an interview Josh would say it is nice having a guy you can call with a play idea and talk through it, etc.....then Daboll in a similarly timed interview would state he viewed Josh as "a son". Not only is that awkward, they were not even in synch in how they perceived their relationship. A buddy vs a father figure. To me this captured Daboll's disconnect of his perception to the reality of his place on our team.

 

To be fair, Daboll was a genius play designer. No question. He was a very middling and average play caller. He was vastly overrated on his impact to Josh's development. By the end of last season with the sudden emergence of our running game you can tell McDermott had a come to jesus moment with Ol'Dabs.

 

I am grateful to the Giants each and everyday.

[Aussie Joe]

I wanted to be the first person this season to say  “ fire Dorsey”…

 

50 more will join me prior to half time on the Game Day thread today…