Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

[Chicken Boo]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Last Friday, I had 3 straight meals at McDonald's.  Lunch, dinner and then Saturday morning breakfast.  I had two McDouble's last night.

 

Why not spring for the double cheese burger?  That extra cheese makes all the difference.

Just now, Warcodered said:

Don't we play on Sunday?

 

Wait, *Sunday Night.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Why not spring for the double cheese burger?  That extra cheese makes all the difference.

 

Wait, *Sunday Night.

 

The McDouble is 2 for $3 by me.

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

A lot of talk of "he is really good, but the play caller, play, QB, etc". But isn't that sort of the point of the people arguing against the Knox contract? Lets say Knox is a top 5 TE. We don' utilize him as a top 5 TE, so why allocated that kind of cash to a really good player in a role that we don't focus on? 

On the Bills of 10 years ago we would certainly bicker about how to get Knox involved. But right now the offense is humming at an elite level, so why change the offense just to get more value out of your contract? 

 

I like Knox. I am hoping he lives up to his valuation. Given the year he has had I am trying not to be too critical, but I also understand other frustrations. I think his valuation will end up being a lot more fair as others renew. Right now Knox (15/148 yards/1 TD) is slightly less productive than McKenzie (17/162 yards/ 3 TD) and slightly more productive than Shakir (6/112 yards/ 1 TD) in the passing game. Knox (273) as taken 101 more snaps than McKenzie (172) and 179 more than Shakir (94)

Pretty much where I’m at with this as well. I didn’t like the contract, not because I don’t think Knox has what it takes to be just outside the 5th best TE in football, but because Allen has never really thrown to his TEs. If Morris came on the field and the offense was unequivocally worse, folks wouldn’t argue the contact, his value would be apparent, but it doesn’t seem we miss much of a beat in the passing game with Morris on the field.
 

You’d like to see Knox jump off the screen with dominating performances, but it doesn’t seem to be the offense’s design, or Allen’s preferred weapon. To that end, I think it is fair to question giving Knox that much money, but if the cap goes up enough to extend other playmakers Allen does lean on, like G Davis, then by all means, enjoy the money, Dawson, and make those periodic big plays when we need them. 

[snamsnoops]

28 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Don't we play on Sunday?

Wish we play on Wednesday!

[teef]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Last Friday, I had 3 straight meals at McDonald's.  Lunch, dinner and then Saturday morning breakfast.  I had two McDouble's last night.

are your poops ever solid?

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

are your poops ever solid?

 

This has taken an interesting twist……unfortunately.  

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

Knox coming out party *Sunday night.  You heard it here first.  

 

GB is very good vs TEs

[Mango]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

Pretty much where I’m at with this as well. I didn’t like the contract, not because I don’t think Knox has what it takes to be just outside the 5th best TE in football, but because Allen has never really thrown to his TEs. If Morris came on the field and the offense was unequivocally worse, folks wouldn’t argue the contact, his value would be apparent, but it doesn’t seem we miss much of a beat in the passing game with Morris on the field.
 

You’d like to see Knox jump off the screen with dominating performances, but it doesn’t seem to be the offense’s design, or Allen’s preferred weapon. To that end, I think it is fair to question giving Knox that much money, but if the cap goes up enough to extend other playmakers Allen does lean on, like G Davis, then by all means, enjoy the money, Dawson, and make those periodic big plays when we need them. 

The board would go nuts if we lost Davis but spent $15M on Knox. 

[Beck Water]

6 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

That's 100% what happened, even the commentators discussed it afterwards analyzing the play discussing he thought Diggs was there and let it go. 

 

Here's the pick and Knox pulling back. 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not what the commentators in that clip suggested.  They said Josh Allen was inaccurate with his throw

 

In the endzone view you can see Heyward tip it.  He jumps up with his arms extended and the trajectory of the ball changes after it passes his hand

 

It would have been nice if Knox could have adjusted and made the catch but in no way is "Just last week he (Knox) pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball" an accurate description of that play.  SMH.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Mango said:

A lot of talk of "he is really good, but the play caller, play, QB, etc". But isn't that sort of the point of the people arguing against the Knox contract? Lets say Knox is a top 5 TE. We don' utilize him as a top 5 TE, so why allocated that kind of cash to a really good player in a role that we don't focus on? 

On the Bills of 10 years ago we would certainly bicker about how to get Knox involved. But right now the offense is humming at an elite level, so why change the offense just to get more value out of your contract? 

 

I like Knox. I am hoping he lives up to his valuation. Given the year he has had I am trying not to be too critical, but I also understand other frustrations. I think his valuation will end up being a lot more fair as others renew. Right now Knox (15/148 yards/1 TD) is slightly less productive than McKenzie (17/162 yards/ 3 TD) and slightly more productive than Shakir (6/112 yards/ 1 TD) in the passing game. Knox (273) as taken 101 more snaps than McKenzie (172) and 179 more than Shakir (94)

 

But here's the thing.  By implication, you're equating Knox productivity with receptions/receiving yards/TDs.

 

Except that he is NOT a TE who primarily runs a route on every play.  He has become one of the best blocking TE in the league as well.  So any reasonable valuation has to take that into account.

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That is not what the commentators in that clip suggested.  They said Josh Allen was inaccurate with his throw

 

In the endzone view you can see Heyward tip it.  He jumps up with his arms extended and the trajectory of the ball changes after it passes his hand

 

It would have been nice if Knox could have adjusted and made the catch but in no way is "Just last week he (Knox) pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball" an accurate description of that play.  SMH.

 

 

 

 

 

But here's the thing.  By implication, you're equating Knox productivity with receptions/receiving yards/TDs.

 

Except that he is NOT a TE who primarily runs a route on every play.  He has become one of the best blocking TE in the league as well.  So any reasonable valuation has to take that into account.

Ok, I’ll credit Knox with the rampant success of our run game…

[HappyDays]

Knox has not had a lot of pure volume production, but he has been incredibly clutch several times this year as a pass catcher and as a blocker. The last play he made was a game winner against our conference rival. I would like us to use him more as a red zone weapon but I'm not going to complain about his usage when we have arguably the best passing offense in the NFL. When his number is called he's making big plays and we use him in every aspect of the offense. That makes him worthy of the contract.

 

Edited October 26, 2022 by HappyDays

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

GB is very good vs TEs

 

TE will be the least of their worries on Sunday night and they'll pay dearly for it.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

That is not what the commentators in that clip suggested.  They said Josh Allen was inaccurate with his throw

 

In the endzone view you can see Heyward tip it.  He jumps up with his arms extended and the trajectory of the ball changes after it passes his hand

 

It would have been nice if Knox could have adjusted and made the catch but in no way is "Just last week he (Knox) pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball" an accurate description of that play.  SMH.

 

It looks like he pulls his arms away because he knows he won't get a handle on it (he might have seen it get tipped) and doesn't want to bat it in the air for an INT.  Which happened anyway.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

The board would go nuts if we lost Davis but spent $15M on Knox. 

 

I think it is much easier to find a good WR2 with deep threat capabilities than a TE1 that can be used as a pass catcher and as a blocker. Knox isn't the best at either skill but he is quite good at both. That's a rare skill set. The Texans are probably going to eat some of Brandin Cooks' salary just to trade him for a decent pick. You never see that kind of trade happen for a good TE because teams know how hard they are to find.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

GB is very good vs TEs

 

 Like most of the Packers great passing defensive stats, it's a mirage. They've played a bunch of bad QBs and TEs. They've only faced 1 QB in the Top 15 in passing yards and only 2 in the Top 22(Brady - 6th, Cousins- 16th).

 

 As for TEs they've only played 2 TEs in the Top 20 in TE receiving yards(T. Conklin - 13th, H. Henry - 20th). In Conklins case, all but 90 of his yards are from the 3 Games he played with Flacco at QB, he's averaging 22.5 ypg with Wilson at QB. Hunter Henry was catching balls from both backup QBs(Hoyer left the game with a concussion)against GB.

 

Looks alot like our stats against the pass last year. We played a bunch of teams with bad/young QBs and we were best in the league. But when we played good QBs our defense got toasted.

 

 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

Ok, I’ll credit Knox with the rampant success of our run game…

 

Did I say "run blocking"?   No, you sarcastic little fruit of the Bangaladeshi National Tree, I did not say "run blocking".

[ArtVandalay]

On 10/26/2022 at 5:25 PM, Beck Water said:

 

That is not what the commentators in that clip suggested.  They said Josh Allen was inaccurate with his throw

 

In the endzone view you can see Heyward tip it.  He jumps up with his arms extended and the trajectory of the ball changes after it passes his hand

 

It would have been nice if Knox could have adjusted and made the catch but in no way is "Just last week he (Knox) pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball" an accurate description of that play.  SMH.

 

 

 

 

 

But here's the thing.  By implication, you're equating Knox productivity with receptions/receiving yards/TDs.

 

Except that he is NOT a TE who primarily runs a route on every play.  He has become one of the best blocking TE in the league as well.  So any reasonable valuation has to take that into account.

That clip is the play. If you watched the game after this the commentators dive into the play further and talked about him pulling him arms back thinking it was going to Diggs. 

 

Your last point is false, and this was in my earlier post with metrics other than catches/yards, Knox runs the 8th most routes of any TE, he had far more opportunity, far better QB play, and produces far less. 

 

Honestly I'm floored anyone can think his production is par for the contract he signed, we all know that deal assumes growth, and right now we haven't seen it.  Not saying it won't happen, just commenting on what has.

[Just Jack]

On 10/26/2022 at 4:02 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The McDouble is 2 for $3 by me.

 

Get the app and order through it.  I've been getting "Buy one double cheeseburger, get one free" deals on it for a while now.  

[Royale with Cheese]

37 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Get the app and order through it.  I've been getting "Buy one double cheeseburger, get one free" deals on it for a while now.  

@teefWhy haven’t you helped me out like this?  

[vtnatefootball11]

Bringing this thread back to life after some time has passed from the Knox signing. I took a lot of heat for saying it on this board at the time, but it was a terrible contract then and looks even worse now.  It needs to be talked about how bad of a miss this was by Beane.  He is going to count $14 mil against the cap this year, $20m if we release him... How the heck did Beane let this happen!   His touchdown numbers were inflated that season before we re-signed him, there was no good reason to extend him at that time.  He's never flashed elite talent.  I'm still sick over it.

Edited February 22 by vtnatefootball11