Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

[ArtVandalay]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

? Last week no Ints

That post is like 3 weeks old

9 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Was his game winning TD against the Chiefs frustrating for you to watch? 

The post is like 3 weeks old dude.  It's not about last week's game. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said:

That post is like 3 weeks old

The post is like 3 weeks old dude.  It's not about last week's game. 

Doesn’t fit your agenda so it doesn’t count…gotcha.  

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, TheWeatherMan said:

Doesn’t fit your agenda so it doesn’t count…gotcha.  

What are you even talking about.  Yes, Knox is a frustrating player that makes spectacular grabs but also has many lapses and is not a consistent threat and has poor metrics. 

 

It was a great catch and play.  He now has 148 yards this season.  Looking forward to the $13MM/YR guy to get his first 50 yard game this year.  

[StHustle]

18 hours ago, Bandito said:

I know he has had a lot of personal issues with the passing of his brother. RIP

 

However, he has not lived up to the new contract. I don't think he is an elite tight end, despite us giving him elite TE $ 

He must be on your fantasy team

[Bangarang]

What kind of shampoo and conditioner does Knox use?

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

What are you even talking about.  Yes, Knox is a frustrating player that makes spectacular grabs but also has many lapses and is not a consistent threat and has poor metrics. 

 

Which "mertics" are poor? He simply isn't being thrown at enough. 

[DaggersEOD]

17 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

This exactly.  The offense is doing great.  The team is winning.

That is all that matters.

 

Film is showing that Dawson Knox is being used way more as a blocker this year.  

His lack of production is not due to poor play, injuries or mental issues involving his brother.

 

At some point, defenses are likely to adjust to what the Bills are doing.  That is when Ken Dorsey can switch things up, and start using the Tight End more in the passing game.  It's great to have something we can pivot to.

 

Exactly! The O scheme is like a developing story or a script, that plays out game to game. In order for the last part to work, all the previous parts have to be played out. 
 

You can’t break tendencies until after you develop them. 

 

For instance, in ‘20 Beas/Davis combo route was unstoppable, but by the playoffs, Beas was worn out and it wasn’t available when we needed it. In ‘21, they held that package until the playoffs, only breaking it out when they really needed a drive. (Whenever a drive started with a Beas catch, we always scored). 
 

In previous drought years, we only had MAYBE 1 good package. At times, we’d start out fast but always fade down the stretch as Ds figured us out and we had no talent/packages to pivot to. 

 
Thanks for bringing that point up!

 

GO BILLS!

[Maynard]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Which "mertics" are poor? He simply isn't being thrown at enough. 

Maybe that foot injury is a little more worse than advertised? Dunno…

[ArtVandalay]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Which "mertics" are poor? He simply isn't being thrown at enough. 

You can read my previous post detailing his route run metrics. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

That post is like 3 weeks old

The post is like 3 weeks old dude.  It's not about last week's game. 

 

Nice way to answer the question what you're talking about

Your post was Oct 8 so you must be talking about the Ravens game.  There was 1 interception off a ball tipped at the LOS. 

 

Still doesn't explain what you're talking about with "Just last week he (Knox) pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball" as that's nowhere near what happened.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, Bandito said:

15 rec

148 yards

1 TD 

Thus far this season. He is a fine player but per his contract he is about to be paid like a top flight TE. He is not that player. We over paid

 

 

 

Perhaps - but by how much?  

 

Jonnu Smith makes 12.5 AAV, same with Hunter Henry.  Evan Engram got 9M AAV.  Will Dissly got 8M AAV.  Gesicki and Schulz are both UFAs after this year and both probably are in that same realm.   

 

Statistically he doesn't jump off the paper this year - a couple of leg injuries probably don't help there.  Needs to get more involved in the red zone, and i think playcalling will trend in that direction over the course of the season.  

 

Target share wise - Running back targets are up from 15.4% to 22.1% this year.  TE targets are at 12.8% vs 13.3% a year ago.  Diggs target share is up this year as well from 26.3 to 27.7% (Continuing on the same rate of about 39 PAs per game, Diggs is on pace for 183 targets which approaches Kupp territory). 

 

My thoughts?  It's early in the season, and largely a fluid situation.  We're using the backs more because teams are letting us do it.   

[Beck Water]

22 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

You can read my previous post detailing his route run metrics. 

 

Your previous post "detailing his route run metrics" says this: "He's continually poor in yards per route run (32nd this year,  22nd last year, 31st year prior)"

 

Since that's not a metric available on NFL.com or pro-football-reference, perhaps you could explain what it means and why you think it's important when someone asks "what metrics are poor?"  What does that even mean?

 

 

[ArtVandalay]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Nice way to answer the question what you're talking about

Your post was Oct 8 so you must be talking about the Ravens game.  There was 1 interception off a ball tipped at the LOS. 

 

Still doesn't explain what you're talking about with "Just last week he (Knox) pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball" as that's nowhere near what happened.

That's 100% what happened, even the commentators discussed it afterwards analyzing the play discussing he thought Diggs was there and let it go. 

 

Here's the pick and Knox pulling back. 

 

 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Knox is a great young player and he'll get his catches this season.

 

Not worried at all. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[eball]

On 10/8/2022 at 9:06 PM, ArtVandalay said:

It's his fault, his whole career he's made spectacular grabs but can't make routine plays. 

 

He's run the 8th most routes of any TE in the league. Last year he ran the 8th most routes of any TE. He gets plenty of opportunity in the passing game. He's continually poor in yards per route run (32nd this year,  22nd last year, 31st year prior)... unless we are to say Josh is to blame?

 

Just last week he pulled him arms back and gave the defense an INT instead of just catching the ball. 

 

I like Knox, i do, but he is a frustrating player. 

 

It's a long year lots of football to be played, but blows my mind how sensitive people are to any criticism of a guy that hasn't produced and recently signed a monster contract.

 

Are you high?

[RiotAct]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

Knox is a great young player and he'll get his catches this season.

 

Not worried at all. 

he’s already made a few huge grabs for us this season so far, including the game winning TD at Kansas City!

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

he’s already made a few huge grabs for us this season so far, including the game winning TD at Kansas City!

 

exactly! Knox is a stud! 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

55 minutes ago, Bandito said:

15 rec

148 yards

1 TD 

Thus far this season. He is a fine player but per his contract he is about to be paid like a top flight TE. He is not that player. We over paid

 

 

 

Those numbers are a result of targets not a result of Dawson Knox. He has thrown 75% of the balls thrown his way. 

[billsfan1959]

Football Ousider TE Rankings

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Are you high?

 

I will be in 45 minutes.