Is Allen routinely fooled by pre-snap disguises?

[JohnNord]

26 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

Yep.  Overthrew Sanders for a TD in the Steelers game.  Hits that one and it's probably a different outcome.

There are other examples that you can find with ball placement as well, which is part of the reason why I think the YAC for Bills WR’s have been so low.  
 

Josh is never going to be a pinpoint accurate passer but he’s still good enough in other areas to overcome

[TheBrownBear]

Well, if this Ruiz chap is right, then...

 

I want a QB with some slow eyes

I want a passer with a lack of touch

I want somebody who will improvise

Not check it down in a heated rush

I want somebody who will crush their guys

I want a QB with some slow eyes

 

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's true and his stats reflect it.  

How so?  Completion percentage?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

No correlation there…but this writer has been dogging Josh since he came out of Wyoming.  So many Bills fans enjoyed dunking on him on Twitter.  
 

It should be noted that Ruiz quite often spoke on facials issues in the NFL in the past including the infamous pre-draft tweets Allen wrote in high school.  IMO I feel he was very much biased toward Josh when evaluating him
 

 

 

My connection of his dots is as valid as his observations.

Sometimes I'm wrong I will admit, I still got some land I bought outside of Letchworth State Park for sale.

[K-9]

He seldom appears fooled by much anymore. And he’s as good as anyone at moving safeties with his eyes post snap at this stage of his career. His ability to extend plays gives his receivers time to read the post snap defense and adjust as well. When it comes to Allen, pre-snap disguises just aren’t as effective as they might otherwise be vs other QBs. He’s gonna make you commit post snap regardless. 
 

Ask Belichick how he feels about Josh’s susceptibility to pre snap disguises. Three of the last four games vs. the Pats*** Bellyache has tried everything under the sun to confuse JA and Allen has toyed with them. If not for two bad weather games that effectively took the ball out of Allen’s hands, it would be five straight games of Allen dominating NE***. 

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

I'm not the guru either, but here's my take.

 

I think all QBs are fooled. I think the real question is how often does a QB get fooled, relative to other QBs, right? I think both IQ and experience matters. I think one's willingness to study, review tape and continue learning, matters, right? Josh has a strong IQ, I don't think there is any denying that. It sure seems to me that Josh is spending a lot of time learning, getting smarter and perfecting his skillset. What Josh lacks, compared to some of the QBs is obviously experience. I can't argue that Josh is anywhere near where Brady and Rogers are, contrasting their experience.

 

Comparing Josh's experience factor to his class of QBs, I don't think Josh is deficient. Rather, I'd argue that he is exceeding the experience level.

 

I think there is a panic under pressure component too.  Josh thrives on the chaos and is inclined to extend a play but some QBs don't want to take the hits or battle to extend the play, thus they are more likely to get rid of the ball based on a faulty pre snap read.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

How so?  Completion percentage?

 

[ToGoGo]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I almost posted this on the board and my summation of the writeup was similar to the air raid tweet. Ruiz has been BRUTAL to allen all the way up into the middle of last year. He has fought his ascension tooth and nail as a writer on that site and this write up reads as though its making him ill to even have to put him at 5.... i got the same feel from it as the dude that made the tweet.

 

and ruiz' pre-snap thoughts go against everything thats been coming out of camp.... both fowler and giardi, in the last 2 weeks, have reported that everyone inside the building claims allen is now at his best making checks at the line and completely owning the offense.

 

Thanks for this.

 

I read what he wrote and it didn't make sense with what we've been seeing the last few years. Unless this is an Advanced Analytics bro who went all-in on Allen sucking in 2018. 

 

It sort of covers his butt. "Allen isn't a good QB, he's just has SUCH GOOD TOOLS it covers up for the weaknesses that I predicted in 2018. So see! I wasn't wrong!" 

[Rampage]

What metric is being used to say he is "routinely fooled", we need to know that before taking this thought seriously.

 

From what I've seen he makes the right read most of the time and other than a few stinkers against Atlanta and Jacksonville last year he was efficient as a passer.

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

You mean, "Allen's accuracy is spotty" is something you agree with? I thought this narrative had been put to rest.

I think that’s overstated.  I think “spotty” accuracy in reference to Allen has changed a bit.   He doesn’t mean the QB that missed flares to the RB of the backfield in 2018.  
 

I think he means Josh doesn’t  have the same pinpoint accuracy that the other top QB’s do. I’ve seen this before when his ball placement isn’t perfect but it’s good enough to get the job done.

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL

[HOUSE]

I told ya

 

[H2o]

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He did but there are definitely times I remember that he overthrew guys in the end zone 

 

I mean, those deep balls are just a piece of cake to connect on every time.

[Charles Romes]

Josh had four bad games last year which were on him.  His stats also took a huge hit because he played in 3-4 wind games at home, the pats being just ridiculous. 

[gordong]

cut the f-ing bum...  now we need a QB

 

[Matt_In_NH]

41 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

worse Quarterbacks.........whatever

[K-9]

It would help if these Allen critics actually watched the fricken games and the All 22. They are woefully unprepared to offer up an intellectually honest analysis of his ability as a QB. Zero credibility. 

[Starr Almighty]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

Come on he's the bagger at register 3 at the Walmart. You know him Steve.

[The Jokeman]

55 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

  

"If quarterbacks weren't allowed to Scramble, Josh Allen Lamar Jackson would go down as one of the worse Quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL"-Cian Fahey

 

Fixed it for you. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by The Jokeman

[billsfan89]

I would like to see a Baldy breakdown or someone else more reputable take before I believe that Josh is routinely fooled