Is Allen routinely fooled by pre-snap disguises?

[Stank_Nasty]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He has him as a top 5 QB so thinks he’s really good but just wondering about that specific comment 

I almost posted this on the board and my summation of the writeup was similar to the air raid tweet. Ruiz has been BRUTAL to allen all the way up into the middle of last year. He has fought his ascension tooth and nail as a writer on that site and this write up reads as though its making him ill to even have to put him at 5.... i got the same feel from it as the dude that made the tweet.

 

and ruiz' pre-snap thoughts go against everything thats been coming out of camp.... both fowler and giardi, in the last 2 weeks, have reported that everyone inside the building claims allen is now at his best making checks at the line and completely owning the offense.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[RobbRiddick]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Where the hell is Mac Jones???

[Pokebball]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before

 

 

I'm not the guru either, but here's my take.

 

I think all QBs are fooled. I think the real question is how often does a QB get fooled, relative to other QBs, right? I think both IQ and experience matters. I think one's willingness to study, review tape and continue learning, matters, right? Josh has a strong IQ, I don't think there is any denying that. It sure seems to me that Josh is spending a lot of time learning, getting smarter and perfecting his skillset. What Josh lacks, compared to some of the QBs is obviously experience. I can't argue that Josh is anywhere near where Brady and Rogers are, contrasting their experience.

 

Comparing Josh's experience factor to his class of QBs, I don't think Josh is deficient. Rather, I'd argue that he is exceeding the experience level.

[Rico]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

NFL Writer for The Ringer

 

 

theStevenRuiz… sounds like a Mahomes fan.

[Beerball]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before

 

The ol’ okie doke gets him every time.

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

I don't recall Carr's noggin being that friggin' huge.

[Don Otreply]

28 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

Never heard of him, is he a beat reporter for the tiger cats…?

[GoBills808]

No. See TD to Davis in Chiefs game where he lobbed it off his back foot knowing it was man to man outside leverage and no safety and similar TD to Diggs at Miami iirc. He doesn't get routinely fooled presnap at all.

[JoeF]

27 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Personally, I'll wait to hear what Rosie Ruiz has to say.

I heard she cuts corners in her analysis.....

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

I mean maybe he's pointing to the Jacksonville game? But the team as a whole didn't perform well that day. 

 

I'd say all QBs get fooled now and then. But I wouldn't say "routinely" for Josh, not based on watching him his entire career and seeing the steady improvements in his game. Also, go watch that half hour chat he had with Chris Simms last week. Lot of great insight on how the dude thinks and sees things out there. Sounds way too informed and intelligent to be a guy who's "routinely" tricked by disguised coverages. 

 

Also, I heard Steven Ruiz talking about Josh's mama, therefore the dude is a bum.

Yeah I think it was that word “routinely” that got me. He seems to think he only wins because he’s big and strong. Allen is very intelligent, people often dismiss that. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I mean he isn’t a machine, every QB can have spotty accuracy and be fooled pre-snap. Overall yes, I’d say another lazy hot take. I’ve heard football guys rave about Allen’s football and presnap IQ.

[FLFan]

11 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Where the hell is Mac Jones???

Most of Mac Jones’ deep balls are still floating somewhere.  

[Beerball]

1 minute ago, FLFan said:

Most of Mac Jones’ deep balls are still floating somewhere.  

Why don’t we call him McCorkle as his mother intended?

[Bruffalo]

Sorry, I'm not going to trust a guy who has Geno Smith ranked as the #22 QB in the NFL, or Trevor Lawrence at 14.

 

Hell, even saying Herbert is number 3 is pretty crazy. 

[Beck Water]

40 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

 

That was my question

[Albany,n.y.]

42 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

He's the guy who wrote these grades after the 2018 draft.  Josh Allen just keeps embarrassing him, So does Josh Rosen:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/2018-nfl-draft-grades-picks-results-analysis-cradinals-colts-chargers-browns-giants-jets-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-saquon-barkley

 

7. Josh Allen, QB Wyoming — Buffalo Bills (via TB)

GRADE: F

Analysis: The Bills gave up two second-round picks for the right draft a quarterback who is nothing more than a strong arm. Allen is inaccurate, struggles to read defenses and is uncomfortable from the pocket. Other than that, he’s a pretty good quarterback.

This pick isn’t all that surprising. After all, this is the same team that thought Nathan Peterman gave it a better chance to win than Tyrod Taylor.

 

10. Josh Rosen, QB UCLA — Arizona Cardinals (via OAK)

GRADE: A+

Analysis: The best quarterback in the draft had to wait 10 picks to hear his name called. Rosen gives the Cardinals a polished pocket passer who reads defense in an instant and throws the ball accurately. And now he’s motivated to make the nine team that passed on him regret that mistake.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[badassgixxer05]

Surprised he didnt say something about his accuracy... 😁

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Yolo. 
 

there are some stories that should be left alone 

 

this is one that I won’t click on.  

 

Ask yourself this — 

If Josh was confused, how the hell can he have back to back perfect playoff games 

 

AGAINST 2 defensive gurus 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[BeastMaster]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He's the guy who wrote these grades after the 2018 draft.  Josh Allen just keeps embarrassing him, So does Josh Rosen:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/2018-nfl-draft-grades-picks-results-analysis-cradinals-colts-chargers-browns-giants-jets-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-saquon-barkley

 

7. Josh Allen, QB Wyoming — Buffalo Bills (via TB)

GRADE: F

Analysis: The Bills gave up two second-round picks for the right draft a quarterback who is nothing more than a strong arm. Allen is inaccurate, struggles to read defenses and is uncomfortable from the pocket. Other than that, he’s a pretty good quarterback.

This pick isn’t all that surprising. After all, this is the same team that thought Nathan Peterman gave it a better chance to win than Tyrod Taylor.

 

10. Josh Rosen, QB UCLA — Arizona Cardinals (via OAK)

GRADE: A+

Analysis: The best quarterback in the draft had to wait 10 picks to hear his name called. Rosen gives the Cardinals a polished pocket passer who reads defense in an instant and throws the ball accurately. And now he’s motivated to make the nine team that passed on him regret that mistake.

 

 

Well...that pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

LOL

[Beck Water]

55 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before

 

 

 

It actually reads like something that was written about Allen in 2019.

 

Compare and contrast with what he writes about Justin Herbert whom he ranks #3.  I guarantee that Herbert is fooled by pre snap coverages at times and is being over-sold as a "Football throwing robot designed to destroy NFL defenses". 

 

"At times" vs "routinely"?  What's in the definition of a word?

 

5 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He's the guy who wrote these grades after the 2018 draft.  Josh Allen just keeps embarrassing him, So does Josh Rosen:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/2018-nfl-draft-grades-picks-results-analysis-cradinals-colts-chargers-browns-giants-jets-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-saquon-barkley

 

7. Josh Allen, QB Wyoming — Buffalo Bills (via TB)

GRADE: F

Analysis: The Bills gave up two second-round picks for the right draft a quarterback who is nothing more than a strong arm. Allen is inaccurate, struggles to read defenses and is uncomfortable from the pocket. Other than that, he’s a pretty good quarterback.

This pick isn’t all that surprising. After all, this is the same team that thought Nathan Peterman gave it a better chance to win than Tyrod Taylor.

 

10. Josh Rosen, QB UCLA — Arizona Cardinals (via OAK)

GRADE: A+

Analysis: The best quarterback in the draft had to wait 10 picks to hear his name called. Rosen gives the Cardinals a polished pocket passer who reads defense in an instant and throws the ball accurately. And now he’s motivated to make the nine team that passed on him regret that mistake.

 

 

 

Do you have twitter?  Someone who does please post this in response to the Air Raid guys, they'll love it.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Beck Water