Is Allen routinely fooled by pre-snap disguises?

[YoloinOhio]

Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before

 

 

[ChevyVanMiller]

He didn't appear to be fooled in either of last year's two playoff games.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Film gurus, please weigh in. I’m not being sensitive or disputing this, I just haven’t seen this assessment out there before

 

 

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

[Mynamemike]

If he does get fooled he has so many ways to either buy time for someone to get open or he can just skiddaddle out and figure it out later.  Plus if it takes a little longer for him to process something he makes up for it by throwing a fastball past the defenders.  Him and Mahomes do it better than anyone with their ability to buy time and keep things moving downfield imo.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

NFL Writer for The Ringer

 

 

[Shake_My_Head]

Personally, I'll wait to hear what Rosie Ruiz has to say.

[LeviF]

Lol. No. This is lazy analysis in an attempt to retcon a freezing cold take from somewhere around April 2018. Many such cases. 

[Lost]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

 

Probably the same guy that suggested we trade Jordan Poyer before the season starts...

[Donuts and Doritos]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Who the HELL is Steven Ruiz??

 

I think he's Antonio Browns ex chef, cooking up some prime Bullsheet:

 

https://nypost.com/2021/12/05/antonio-browns-ex-chef-steven-ruiz-will-sue-wr-amid-suspension/

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

NFL Writer for The Ringer

 

 

I meant what makes him a QB whisperer? Was he ever successful as a NFL QB? Or played the position successfully in any capacity? I know it’s his opinion, but I’m tired of people spewing misinformation just for clicks 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

I meant what makes him a QB whisperer? Was he ever successful as a NFL QB? Or played the position successfully in any capacity? I know it’s his opinion, but I’m tired of people spewing misinformation just for clicks 

He has him as a top 5 QB so thinks he’s really good but just wondering about that specific comment 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The only criticism I have of Allen's game is his deep ball accuracy.  He is much improved but he still has a tendency to overthrow open guys. I don't recall many passes that were too far inside or outside.  

I also don't recall thinking once last year that Allen was fooled on any play. He had some poor throws as all QBs do. But as far as being fooled by coverage I don't see it. 

[Logic]

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The only criticism I have of Allen's game is his deep ball accuracy.  He is much improved but he still has a tendency to overthrow open guys. I don't recall many passes that were too far inside or outside.  

I also don't recall thinking once last year that Allen was fooled on any play. He had some poor throws as all QBs do. But as far as being fooled by coverage I don't see it. 

didn’t Allen have the best or one of the best deep balls last season? Swore I read that somewhere

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I have to think bellichick would be the best barometer of this. He has been fooling young QB’s for decades, and yet Allen surgically obliterated that D twice last year. 

[Scott7975]

 

[TPS]

Seems to be a non-issue, meaning isn't that what all defenses try to do, disguise what the coverage is? The Bills are supposedly very good with this as Belichick has exclaimed.  Even Brady could be fooled.  It takes years for QBs to figure out what the D is doing, and O-coordinators set up pre-snap movement to try and help their QB decipher the coverage.  I'm sure Allen would say he's constantly learning.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

didn’t Allen have the best or one of the best deep balls last season? Swore I read that somewhere

He did but there are definitely times I remember that he overthrew guys in the end zone 

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

He did but there are definitely times I remember that he overthrew guys in the end zone 

Sure but they all do

[blacklabel]

I mean maybe he's pointing to the Jacksonville game? But the team as a whole didn't perform well that day. 

 

I'd say all QBs get fooled now and then. But I wouldn't say "routinely" for Josh, not based on watching him his entire career and seeing the steady improvements in his game. Also, go watch that half hour chat he had with Chris Simms last week. Lot of great insight on how the dude thinks and sees things out there. Sounds way too informed and intelligent to be a guy who's "routinely" tricked by disguised coverages. 

 

Also, I heard Steven Ruiz talking about Josh's mama, therefore the dude is a bum.

Edited September 6, 2022 by blacklabel