Are we being purposely divided?

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Hoax.  I just destroyed your hypocrisy above.  And in the end, we're not the ones trying to fundamentally change the US. 

Your words are few, but your hoaxes are many.  Sad. 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

How am I stuck in anything dude? I'm posting current polls. 

 

I honestly don't care about the elections in Kansas or Alaska. Guess we will see if voters really care that much when push comes to shove. You know as well as I do, people will complain but yet not vote when it comes down to it. 

 

Dreaming

[Matt_In_NH]

20 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

This is an interesting take.  You start a thread questioning whether or not we are purposefully being divided, and it takes you to page 2 to be purposely divisive.   Why?  What's in it for you?  Why derail your own thread? 

 

As for the subject--which media outlets do you follow without question?  The one owned and directed by one of the richest men in the world?  Is that the one beyond reproach?  That particular publication missed on a number of stories of late, no?  With all the vaunted sources highly placed, and frequently cited anonymously, that publication missed on a few stories?  When did they report the Clinton/DNC connection to Steel and the dossier?  The Hunter Biden story?  The  tea leaves on the outcome of Mueller?  When did they report that Obama/Biden knew of the Clinton connection to Russiagate and disinformation?  

 

In what other aspect of life do people flock to a multi-billionaire, looking to monopolize virtually every commoditized product in the free world, for objective truth and guidance?  

 

Finally, you took a hard line position on Trump and Stop the Steal.  You've suggested unconstitutional action in pursuing, and failing, to convince the court(s) that fraud was afoot.  I can live with that, though there is virtually no time whatsoever to adequately investigate voter fraud after a presidential election. On the other hand, it wasn't a year before the election that Sens Warren and Klobuchar, among others, expressed grave concern about the integrity of the elections and some of the systems in place.  Nobody in the dem party or free press blew a gasket, nobody wailed at the wailing wall, nobody worried that such explosive commentary was an afront to our system of government.    

 

How did you feel about dem leadership declaring the Trump election illegitimate, or that he was in power as a result of a coup, or that he was guilty of treason back in 2016?  Or that one of the leading voices and most powerful men in the world ominously predicted that the intelligence agency had "six ways from Sunday" to get someone?   Was that just political pillow talk?  Fair game? 

 

The forerunner to "Trump is an illegitimate President" was "The Hanging Chad", and the forerunner to "Stop the Steal" was "Illegitimate President".  The table was set by Warren, Klobuchar et al for Democrat's screaming stolen election if Trump won.  And, why wouldn't it be?  They successfully impacted all 4 years of his administration because people bought the stories they sold. 

 

 

 

 

I think sources of propaganda are a key component of the subject here.   The topic is very detailed though.   I am not sure about the rich guy you are talking about.  
 

I feel strongly about stop the steal because it is complete bull crap and that has been proven in court time and again.    He had every opportunity to prove a case and the opposite has happened… nothing but made up nonsense.  The opposite is actually true he tried to steal the election and I guess you like that because you like him.  Is that a hardline?  So be it.  I also have a hard line position on student loans you can go to that thread and read my position there.  The “progressive” stuff is also nonsense.  
 

I don’t think trumps win in 2016 was illegitimate.  He identified and influenced the right people to get the win, it was shocking and ultimately brought out how powerful social media is.  

[SectionC3]

59 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

lol, the parties are split in half when it comes to being one side of the isle or the other. Hell, many registered democrats in my states are only registered as such due to local sheriff elections. 

 

27% GOP

27% Democrat

43% Independent 

 

And in regards to Ind. voters, 46% lean GOP compared to 45% Dem... That trend is increasing red all the time. 

Sounds like we have a Hispaniola situation here.  Also, MAGA is the dog that caught the car on abortion.  Check those numbers a year from now.  Women are registering in record numbers, and it isn’t to support the party that is anti-women’s rights, pro-terror (see: defund the FBI, attacking the Capitol), and anti-school gun safety.  

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Dreaming

 

You just argue to argue. Pretty hilarious. 

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Dreaming

No kidding.  Alaska maybe—MAYBE—can be explained away.  But, from a political science perspective, it’s a result that would scare me if I was MAGA.  Same thing with Kansas.  It’s hard to ignore.  Maybe that’s why the MAGA Senate candidate scrubbed his anti-women, anti-reproductive freedom views from his web page. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Sounds like we have a Hispaniola situation here.  Also, MAGA is the dog that caught the car on abortion.  Check those numbers a year from now.  Women are registering in record numbers, and it isn’t to support the party that is anti-women’s rights, pro-terror (see: defund the FBI, attacking the Capitol), and anti-school gun safety.  

 

Anti-school gun safety. What? lol 

 

Why are the defund the police liberals not complaining some conservatives are saying defund the police?  Weird. (again, lol)

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I think sources of propaganda are a key component of the subject here.   The topic is very detailed though.   I am not sure about the rich guy you are talking about.  
 

I feel strongly about stop the steal because it is complete bull crap and that has been proven in court time and again.    He had every opportunity to prove a case and the opposite has happened… nothing but made up nonsense.  The opposite is actually true he tried to steal the election and I guess you like that because you like him.  Is that a hardline?  So be it.  I also have a hard line position on student loans you can go to that thread and read my position there.  The “progressive” stuff is also nonsense.  
 

I don’t think trumps win in 2016 was illegitimate.  He identified and influenced the right people to get the win, it was shocking and ultimately brought out how powerful social media is.  

 

Same here with stop the steal and Trump 2016.  Whether Trump won or Hillary lost is debatable.  I don’t know.  It doesn’t matter.  Trump earned more votes than Hillary, and he earned the presidency as a result of that election.  Not debatable.  

 

Same thing with the Insurrection/stop the steal.  It’s bogus.  Had plenty of chances to prove it.  Failed every time.  Now, these MAGA losers want to burn down our electoral process because they got a result they didn’t like.  Too effing bad. 

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Anti-school gun safety. What? lol 

 

Why are the defund the police liberals not complaining some conservatives are saying defund the police?  Weird. (again, lol)

Go ask the liberals.  Maybe we should have things like background checks, and red flags laws, and minimum age requirements for non-military to have weapons of war.  Seems like there’s a nasty habit of those things being used in schools.  

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Your words are few, but your hoaxes are many.  Sad. 

 

Your words are one: hoax.  It's your go-to when you can't refute something and we all know it.  But probably your best play so keep it up.

[Tommy Callahan]

ITs bad anymore. is it intentional? probably. Citizens united changed the game.

The money pays for PACS on all sides. those PACS fund loyal candidates to the cause. 

The goal is to get 51% on your side. eff the others. Todays politics find compromise to be a dirty word.

like sports teams fans.  the goal is to beat the other team. not find common ground.

 

And anyone that took DEBATE or journalism in college knows the forms of propaganda/Logical Fallacies.  

https://www.uvm.edu/~jleonard/AGRI183/propoaganda.html

http://cf.linnbenton.edu/artcom/english/traskd/upload/Master List of Logical Fallacies.pdf

Now one cant read news without seeing many of those being used to manipulate folks.

 

Shoot, in here we see the same few profiles post like they are using that list for reference.

 

 

 

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Cool. The senate is a projected "toss up" and the House is going to go red. 

 

So..... 

 

It's sad when anyone is voting based on whether they can abort a fetus in the mid-2nd trimester up until right after birth.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Your words are one: hoax.  It's your go-to when you can't refute something and we all know it.  But probably your best play so keep it up.

 

 

2 hours ago, Doc said:

we're not the ones trying to fundamentally change the US. 

 

[Westside]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Same here with stop the steal and Trump 2016.  Whether Trump won or Hillary lost is debatable.  I don’t know.  It doesn’t matter.  Trump earned more votes than Hillary, and he earned the presidency as a result of that election.  Not debatable.  

 

Same thing with the Insurrection/stop the steal.  It’s bogus.  Had plenty of chances to prove it.  Failed every time.  Now, these MAGA losers want to burn down our electoral process because they got a result they didn’t like.  Too effing bad. 

Go ask the liberals.  Maybe we should have things like background checks, and red flags laws, and minimum age requirements for non-military to have weapons of war.  Seems like there’s a nasty habit of those things being used in schools.  

Do you believe all the guns used to commit crimes are legal?  

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

It's sad when anyone is voting based on whether they can abort a fetus in the mid-2nd trimester up until right after birth.

 

It's sad the cult MUST control women and their decisions... that's why you will lose.

 

Count on it.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

It's sad the cult MUST control women and their decisions... that's why you will lose.

 

Count on it.

 

C Thomas and his wifes opinion on the election? that topic again?

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

16 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Same here with stop the steal and Trump 2016.  Whether Trump won or Hillary lost is debatable.  I don’t know.  It doesn’t matter.  Trump earned more votes than Hillary, and he earned the presidency as a result of that election.  Not debatable.  

 

Same thing with the Insurrection/stop the steal.  It’s bogus.  Had plenty of chances to prove it.  Failed every time.  Now, these MAGA losers want to burn down our electoral process because they got a result they didn’t like.  Too effing bad. 

Go ask the liberals.  Maybe we should have things like background checks, and red flags laws, and minimum age requirements for non-military to have weapons of war.  Seems like there’s a nasty habit of those things being used in schools.  

 

Jump on the gun thread for your answers... but let me help.

 

1. We have background checks. Every gun legally purchased from a FFL (gun dealer) must complete a Form 4473 (ATF/FBI background check). Doesn't matter if you're at a gun shop, pawn shop or gun show. Only private purchases don't have to do background checks. Lets say you somehow add that onto the 20,000 gun laws in America... no criminal is going to go down to their local FFL to do a background check. 

 

2. Red flag laws are a horrible idea. One way to legally make someone guilty before they can prove they aren't. Here is a good opinion piece from the CATO institute (a liberation intuition).

 

3. Minimum age requirements are already in place. I don't necessarily have an issue with more of a background check for pre-21 year old's from buying a semi-automatic rifle. Especially looking at juvenile records, but AR platforms aren't weapons of war. Just because they look similar, they don't function the same (this is coming from someone who was issued an actual "Weapon of War" in the military. And trust me, a 19 year old in the USMC isn't any more mature than a 19 year old civi. 

 

4. Worst school shooting in American history was carried out by a 9mm handgun and .22 LR handgun. The handgun is what is used in 95% of all so-called "mass shooting". 

Edited September 6, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno

[Westside]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

It's sad the cult MUST control women and their decisions... that's why you will lose.

 

Count on it.

 

Do you know the correct definition of what a cult is?  

[Tommy Callahan]

44 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

No, your stats back up my argument that HALF THE COUNTRY is NOT Republican like the cult wants you to believe.

 

And, you have ZERO proof after Roe how independents are aligning; and that goes for R women, too.

 

#KANSAS

 

 

yes. Kansas. where the REPUBLICANS came out and swept. But also chose to go with the DEMS and vote NO to that moronic BAN on abortion.

 

cause in reality. MOST don't support BANS or Electives after viability.

 

 

14 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

No kidding.  Alaska maybe—MAYBE—can be explained away.  But, from a political science perspective, it’s a result that would scare me if I was MAGA.  Same thing with Kansas.  It’s hard to ignore.  Maybe that’s why the MAGA Senate candidate scrubbed his anti-women, anti-reproductive freedom views from his web page. 

WHY. in both states Republican's came out/won across the board. And the result was a moderate choice.  

If the DEMS ran more like Mary Peltola it would be great.

in the lower 48, ,she would be called a nazi by the usual voices 

[ArdmoreRyno]

10 minutes ago, Westside said:

Do you know the correct definition of what a cult is?  

 

He doesn't. 

 

Trump = cult

GOP = cult

guns = cult

pro-life = cult

Anyone who thinks differently than he does = cult

 

 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

He doesn't. 

 

Trump = cult

GOP = cult

guns = cult

pro-life = cult

Anyone who thinks differently than he does = cult

 

 

 

You summed it up pretty well!

 

Great job,