Tiberius Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 14 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: List of Joe's accomplishments: 1. Not Trump )Can anyone really come up with anything else to support this man? The only thing I've heard is "yea well Trump did this..." 1) Organized the coalition that has helped Ukraine destroy the army of one of America's enemies, Putin. That in and of itself makes Biden significant 2) Chips law which strengthens American security 3) Finally got something major done about climate change 4) Got major gun legislation passed 5) Health care for vets He's a good one!
BillStime Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 12 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Even with the elimination of the personal exemption lower income individuals and families came out ahead. So no it’s not a hoax. HOAX
Chef Jim Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Not a single number supports any of your ideas. But let’s do more math. Last year of the personal exemption it was $4,050 per person. When the standard deduction was $12,700 MFJ. TCJA raised the standard deduction to $24,000. Thats an increase of $11,300. The average married US family is 4 people. 4 times $4,050 = 16,200. So a family of 4 lost a $16,200 deduction while getting an increase standard deduction of $11,300. So they LOST $4,900. Assuming a 10 percent effective rate it cost them $490. That increases with each kid they have above 2. A single person with no kids had the standard deduction go from $6,300 in 2017 to $12,000. Change is $5,700. Lost their personal exemption of $4,050. So they’re getting a $1,650 of addition deductions. At a 10 percent effective tax rate, these provisions of TCJA saved them $165… wow! But let’s say that single person is a single mom. Now her personal exemptions were $8,050. HOH was $9,350 and TCJA made it $18,000, so a change of $8,650. With the lost of exemptions they got $600 of additional deductions or a tax savings of $60!!!!!! (Assuming a 10 percent effective rate). If she’s a single mom of 2 she lost money. So taking it instead of at the national level, you can see the tax savings to the individual aren’t what you think they are. So thank you Republicans for the $60 you gave poor single moms! Now, let’s look at 1 provision that favored the wealthy. Say you’re a business owner, non-SSTB and net $400,000 but with other deductions taxable income is at $315,000. Being under the QBI thresholds (to make the math easier), they get a deduction equal to the lesser of 20 percent of QBI or taxable income. $315,000 * 20 percent = $63,000 of new deductions. That puts taxable income now at $262,000. That $63,000 would all be in the 35 percent MFJ bracket, so it saved this guy, $22,050. Math has been had for you but the $22,050 is significantly more than the $60 tax savings the single mom with 1 kid got and a TON more than a single mom with 2 kids who now has to pay more tax got. Thanks. 2 hours ago, BillStime said: HOAX Back In The Day did the math and educated me. Some day you may be able to do the same but I highly doubt it. Maybe @Backintheday544 can do your homework and explain what makes MAGA supporters fascists and the biggest threat to our democracy. 1
OrangeBills Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: 1) Organized the coalition that has helped Ukraine destroy the army of one of America's enemies, Putin. That in and of itself makes Biden significant 2) Chips law which strengthens American security 3) Finally got something major done about climate change 4) Got major gun legislation passed 5) Health care for vets He's a good one! geezus, such simpletons All he/they have done is cut checks with your money, nothing more. classic liberal/democrat action….create an economy where no one wants to make anything here because of your policies and tax structures….realize we’re screwed as a result….cut checks from my taxes to “solve” the problem and lure producers back here. So pathetic it happens because liberal voters are stupid but think they’re “smart” because they spent 4 years at college during the Obama Presidency every company that could reasonably re-domicile to avoid taxes did so to avoid their absurd taxes, but never mind we’re bringing them back with your money yay. morons Edited September 9, 2022 by OrangeBills 1
Chef Jim Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, OrangeBills said: geezus, such simpletons All he/they have done is cut checks with your money, nothing more. classic liberal/democrat action….create an economy where no one wants to make anything here because of your policies and tax structures….realize we’re screwed as a result….cut checks from my taxes to “solve” the problem and lure producers back here. So pathetic it happens because liberal voters are stupid but think they’re “smart” because they spent 4 years at college during the Obama Presidency every company that could reasonably re-domicile to avoid taxes did so to avoid their absurd taxes, but never mind we’re bringing them back with your money yay. morons Unfortunately the GOP actions are pretty damn similar. They are are pretty cavalier with our money. Hard to tell the two parties apart sometimes. 1
Tiberius Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, OrangeBills said: geezus, such simpletons All he/they have done is cut checks with your money, nothing more. classic liberal/democrat action….create an economy where no one wants to make anything here because of your policies and tax structures….realize we’re screwed as a result….cut checks from my taxes to “solve” the problem and lure producers back here. So pathetic it happens because liberal voters are stupid but think they’re “smart” because they spent 4 years at college during the Obama Presidency every company that could reasonably re-domicile to avoid taxes did so to avoid their absurd taxes, but never mind we’re bringing them back with your money yay. morons We are smart enough to know Biden won. Go tell that to the die hard MAGA. They simply can't understand that.
BillStime Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Thanks. Back In The Day did the math and educated me. Some day you may be able to do the same but I highly doubt it. Maybe @Backintheday544 can do your homework and explain what makes MAGA supporters fascists and the biggest threat to our democracy. Why are you afraid to define MAGA?
Chef Jim Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Why are you afraid to define MAGA? I'm not. This is not about me and my definition. It's about yours. This is how our conversation started. With me trying to understand your major concern. You and your friends on the left are the ones terrified of them but you seem not to be able to define what it is. What are you all so afraid of? What was Biden talking about when he mentioned the term MAGA 15 times and MAGA Republicans 11 times? Can you define what he and you are afraid of? Ok let me help you out here. You look at right wing extremist and immediately point at them and say "oh, oh, oh....MAGA!!" That would be like me pointing at BLM or even ATIFA and saying "oh oh oh, No More Malarkey Democrats." See I'm smart enough to know the difference. You on the other hand..........
aristocrat Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We are smart enough to know Biden won. Go tell that to the die hard MAGA. They simply can't understand that. Admit Trump won the 2016 election fair and square and these people should not be in power
Tiberius Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Admit Trump won the 2016 election fair and square and these people should not be in power This has been what, two years now? They still don't acknowledge the truth. Trump's election in 2016 was interfered with by Russia, we all know that, but no one called for a re-do even right after. MAGA is literally attempting to ruin our country by destroying the election system. Crazy. It will be worse for them than for anyone, but ignorance is bliss.
aristocrat Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: This has been what, two years now? They still don't acknowledge the truth. Trump's election in 2016 was interfered with by Russia, we all know that, but no one called for a re-do even right after. MAGA is literally attempting to ruin our country by destroying the election system. Crazy. It will be worse for them than for anyone, but ignorance is bliss. It's been what 6 years? You still don't acknowledge the truth Trumps election in 2016 was in no way interfered as we know our elections our secure. The democrats are literally attempting to claim our elections are able to fixed by foreign governments. Ignorance is bliss.
BillStime Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: I'm not. This is not about me and my definition. It's about yours. This is how our conversation started. With me trying to understand your major concern. You and your friends on the left are the ones terrified of them but you seem not to be able to define what it is. What are you all so afraid of? What was Biden talking about when he mentioned the term MAGA 15 times and MAGA Republicans 11 times? Can you define what he and you are afraid of? Ok let me help you out here. You look at right wing extremist and immediately point at them and say "oh, oh, oh....MAGA!!" That would be like me pointing at BLM or even ATIFA and saying "oh oh oh, No More Malarkey Democrats." See I'm smart enough to know the difference. You on the other hand.......... No, you don't LIKE my definition of MAGA and you won't DEFINE it from your POV because it will expose you, Jim.
Chef Jim Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: No, you don't LIKE my definition of MAGA and you won't DEFINE it from your POV because it will expose you, Jim. Remind me of your definition. I probably missed it. It will expose me as what?
Tiberius Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: It's been what 6 years? You still don't acknowledge the truth Trumps election in 2016 was in no way interfered as we know our elections our secure. The democrats are literally attempting to claim our elections are able to fixed by foreign governments. Ignorance is bliss. Trump won. Who isn't recognizing that? You can't understand the difference to pointing out problems with an election and simply declaring, for years, in court, in public, in rallies, with violent mobs, the election was stolen and he wants a re-do? You don't understand that, correct? 1
aristocrat Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump won. Who isn't recognizing that? You can't understand the difference to pointing out problems with an election and simply declaring, for years, in court, in public, in rallies, with violent mobs, the election was stolen and he wants a re-do? You don't understand that, correct? you mean like years of “investigations” declaring the election stolen and fixed by the Russians and that they wrongly claimed he colluded with the Russians? Like that? Then orchestrated riots in 2020 leading to the election and even one where they attempted to storm the White House where 90 secret service agents were injured? you don’t understand that, correct?
BillStime Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: you mean like years of “investigations” declaring the election stolen and fixed by the Russians and that they wrongly claimed he colluded with the Russians? Like that? Then orchestrated riots in 2020 leading to the election and even one where they attempted to storm the White House where 90 secret service agents were injured? you don’t understand that, correct? Trump did collude w Russia and Barr covered it up for him. 1 1
Tiberius Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: you mean like years of “investigations” declaring the election stolen and fixed by the Russians and that they wrongly claimed he colluded with the Russians? Like that? Then orchestrated riots in 2020 leading to the election and even one where they attempted to storm the White House where 90 secret service agents were injured? you don’t understand that, correct? You don't understand the difference in reactions, correct? You also don't understand the results of the investigation, do you? Lol, you are just full of BS and love spewing it. You act like Mueller cleared Trump, totally not true. You also hate our constitutional republic. Sad Your side is going to lose. It already is losing. It's garbage and sewage and it's losing. Piss on MAGE trash 1
TSOL Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You don't understand the difference in reactions, correct? You also don't understand the results of the investigation, do you? Lol, you are just full of BS and love spewing it. You act like Mueller cleared Trump, totally not true. You also hate our constitutional republic. Sad Your side is going to lose. It already is losing. It's garbage and sewage and it's losing. Piss on MAGE trash Really keeping it classy though huh😂 So much rage... 1
SoCal Deek Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 So if I understand this correctly, a number of Democrats didn’t attend Trump’s inauguration because they were protesting Russian interference? 😂😂😂 There simply aren’t any sharks left to be jumped!
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