Draconator Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 I love Jane and Lily Tomlin in Grace and Frankie. That show was a riot! 2 Quote
Beerball Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/3/2022 at 11:05 AM, johndhall1 said: On behalf of all viet nam veterans I wish her a slow and horrible death. Hang onto that hatred and let it continue to consume you. 1 Quote
Draconator Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beerball said: Hang onto that hatred and let it continue to consume you. Agreed @Beerball. Hang on to that, kinda like a slow and horrible death. Quote
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/3/2022 at 10:05 AM, johndhall1 said: On behalf of all viet nam veterans I wish her a slow and horrible death. So you're not Fonda Jane? I'm here all day folks. 1 Quote
Draconator Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: So you're not Fonda Jane? I'm here all day folks. Ok dad Quote
aristocrat Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/3/2022 at 11:41 AM, Gugny said: .... aaaaand there it is. Did you expect anything else? Guys hold grudges for what she did over there no matter your thoughts on the war. Those guys for the most part didn't have a choice to be there. Quote
Gugny Posted September 8, 2022 Author Posted September 8, 2022 6 hours ago, sherpa said: Fonda's actions in Hanoi That's not aiding and abetting. It's not treason. It's her exercising her freedom of speech that those U.S. soldiers "were fighting for." Some people give an awful lot of power to an actress with a microphone. Give me a break. Quote
JoeF Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Draconator said: I love Jane and Lily Tomlin in Grace and Frankie. That show was a riot! Lift Toilet Seat..... 1 Quote
sherpa Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Gugny said: That's not aiding and abetting. It's not treason. It's her exercising her freedom of speech that those U.S. soldiers "were fighting for." Some people give an awful lot of power to an actress with a microphone. Give me a break. I strongly disagree, and my mind will not be changed. When the country is at war, going to the enemy and making ten unsolicited radio appearances calling US servicemen war criminals, murderers and suggesting they should be executed is absolutely giving comfort to the enemy. Again, I wish her no ill, but her actions were treasonous. Further, she had no idea what "US servicemen were fighting for." She was an ignorant knucklehead with a microphone, and she gave comfort to an enemy. 2 1 1 Quote
Gugny Posted September 8, 2022 Author Posted September 8, 2022 Just now, sherpa said: I strongly disagree, and my mind will not be changed. When the country is at war, going to the enemy and making ten unsolicited radio appearances calling US servicemen war criminals, murderers and suggesting they should be executed is absolutely giving comfort to the enemy. Again, I wish her no ill, but her actions were treasonous. Further, she had no idea what "US servicemen were fighting for." She was an ignorant knucklehead with a microphone, and she gave comfort to an enemy. Treasonous, to me, isn't an accurate representation of what she did. There was certainly nothing criminal about it. Do you think the US servicemen had any idea what they were fighting for? That was her whole point. She was far from ignorant. She was well-informed and well-spoken. She expressed regret (many times) for taking the picture. She spoke out against the war. The young men dropping bombs on civilians were following orders ... that was her message. She wasn't condemning the ones doing these things as much as she was condemning the ones pulling the strings .. .the War Pigs ... the Piggies. Quote
Mark Vader Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/2/2022 at 7:22 PM, I am the egg man said: Again, just never watched much of her work. Don’t doubt she had some sound acting chops. I wouldn’t base her acting career on Barbarella and Nine to Five. …..again, best wishes to her for successful treatments and results. Neither would I. Nine to Five is a funny movie, but it's Dabney Coleman who steals it in that one. Barbarella is awful. She's good in On Golden Pond, but Henry Fonda is fantastic. She was very good in Barefoot in the Park & The China Syndrome. As for the Vietnam stuff, well, I personally think she is a loathsome, elitist, and vile person. Especially years after her stunt in Hanoi. Her attitude towards Vietnam veterans is just gross, but I'm sure the feeling is mutual amongst the veterans as well. Quote
Mark Vader Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/3/2022 at 8:41 AM, Gugny said: .... aaaaand there it is. You created this thread and weren't expecting a response like this? 1 Quote
sherpa Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 40 minutes ago, Gugny said: Treasonous, to me, isn't an accurate representation of what she did. There was certainly nothing criminal about it. Do you think the US servicemen had any idea what they were fighting for? That was her whole point. She was far from ignorant. She was well-informed and well-spoken. She expressed regret (many times) for taking the picture. She spoke out against the war. The young men dropping bombs on civilians were following orders ... that was her message. She wasn't condemning the ones doing these things as much as she was condemning the ones pulling the strings .. .the War Pigs ... the Piggies. Again, I wish her no ill. But she was certainly ignorant. Grossly ignorant. She was puking out what her North Vietnamese handlers were telling her, which bas bullstuff. Most of the men I served with above the O4 level my first cruise had been involved in that war. As a junior carrier attack pilot at that time, who was not involved in that, I had many conversations with them about target selection, rules of engagement and a host of other nonsense that went on during the Johnson/McNamara DOD led war. She was absolutely ignorant, and calling for them to be executed as murderers and war criminals in their capitol during a war with many POWs being tortured is not something something I would classify as "freedom of speech." Quote
Rico Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 I can sympathize with where she was coming from back during the war, though I don’t agree with her actions…. but I think what she was arrested for a few years ago was stupid af. Still a great actress though, just a chip off her dad’s block. Quote
Dr. Who Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Again, I wish her no ill. But she was certainly ignorant. Grossly ignorant. She was puking out what her North Vietnamese handlers were telling her, which bas bullstuff. Most of the men I served with above the O4 level my first cruise had been involved in that war. As a junior carrier attack pilot at that time, who was not involved in that, I had many conversations with them about target selection, rules of engagement and a host of other nonsense that went on during the Johnson/McNamara DOD led war. She was absolutely ignorant, and calling for them to be executed as murderers and war criminals in their capitol during a war with many POWs being tortured is not something something I would classify as "freedom of speech." It's definitely well beyond simply protesting the war. Quote
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