SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2022 Author Posted August 31, 2022 24 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Quick question. What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? Personally I think it’s likely pretty high. 🤷🏻♂️ This is utterly immaterial. The kind of defense somebody (unsuccessfully) asserts against a speeding charge. If Trump had this stuff (seems pretty clear), and if it was illegal for Trump to have this stuff (seems to be the consensus among those who do this kind of stuff), then Trump has an answer that must be given irrespective of whether Carter, Clinton, Bush, and Obama should have to answer the same question. 48 minutes ago, Irv said: AP news. "All Phony". What a mess. Hoax. Despite your apparent expertise in phoniness, you’re wrong about this one. 1 hour ago, dpberr said: Can presidents declassify matters directly? Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority. Facts don't need to matter to the FBI or media, but when Trump skates for the 100th time, facts will be why he does. The better question is whether there are “matters” that a president cannot alone declassify. The next question, of course, is whether Trump had such “matters” strewn about his floor in the photo that was released today.
Nineforty Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Good answer. 🙄 So you disagree. That’s fine. But I think you’re pretty naive to think Trump is the first and only one to have done so. so we have Chef Jim who says its all good cuz probability says other former presidents have probably broken the law. no need to investigate this, pack it up! they all do it! its all good! gtfoh. This is unprecedented. You trying to claim it isn't with some vague opinion holds no water. so yeah, you don't deserve even this response it is so idiotic.
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2022 Author Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Nineforty said: so we have Chef Jim who says its all good cuz probability says other former presidents have probably broken the law. no need to investigate this, pack it up! they all do it! its all good! gtfoh. This is unprecedented. You trying to claim it isn't with some vague opinion holds no water. so yeah, you don't deserve even this response it is so idiotic. It is pretty dumb, no doubt about it. “But judge, even though I got caught for speeding, I shouldn’t be punished because everyone else speeds!” Or “even though I shot and killed that guy, other people have shot and killed someone but haven’t been caught and punished, so I shouldn’t be punished, either!” It’s so ridiculous I can’t believe that I wasted the energy and electricity to type this. 1
Irv Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) When will the constant nonsense end? The man hasn't been President for over a year-and-a-half and you're still soiling yourself over him. Get a life. Edited August 31, 2022 by Irv 1
Chef Jim Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nineforty said: so we have Chef Jim who says its all good cuz probability says other former presidents have probably broken the law. no need to investigate this, pack it up! they all do it! its all good! gtfoh. This is unprecedented. You trying to claim it isn't with some vague opinion holds no water. so yeah, you don't deserve even this response it is so idiotic. You guys love to make ***** up. Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump. I'll wait. So not sure which is more idiotic. Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before. 7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: It is pretty dumb, no doubt about it. “But judge, even though I got caught for speeding, I shouldn’t be punished because everyone else speeds!” Or “even though I shot and killed that guy, other people have shot and killed someone but haven’t been caught and punished, so I shouldn’t be punished, either!” It’s so ridiculous I can’t believe that I wasted the energy and electricity to type this. Again making things up? I never said such a thing. Point out where I said Trump should not be punished. It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that. Again counselor. You're sucking it big time.
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2022 Author Posted August 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You guys love to make ***** up. Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump. I'll wait. So not sure which is more idiotic. Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before. Again making things up? I never said such a thing. Point out where I said Trump should not be punished. It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that. Again counselor. You're sucking it big time. Hoax. You brought it up. Maybe you want to investigate everyone. In fact, maybe you should be investigated, too, just to make sure that all stones are turned. Whatever. I suggest you call your pals in QAnon, get working on that investigation of every living president except for Trump, and let us know where it goes.
Nineforty Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Irv said: When will the constant nonsense end? The man hasn't been President for over a year-and-a-half and you're still soiling yourself over him. Get a life. when even a sliver of justice is delivered for his crimes and treachery. thats when the republic can rest, even if just for a small moment. 18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You guys love to make ***** up. Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump. I'll wait. So not sure which is more idiotic. Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before. Again making things up? I never said such a thing. Point out where I said Trump should not be punished. It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that. Again counselor. You're sucking it big time. my apologies. so you are on the record that if Donald Trump broke 793e (part of the espionage act) and obstructed the investigation, that he should be prosecuted for these crimes? are you on the record that stealing property of the US Gov't (and some of its biggest secrets), should land this person in prison?
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 This picture is like a rohrschach test, it is so messy because the FBI made it look like that, Trump clearly at some point had the legal right to all of the information present, unless somehow he got it after leaving the white house. It is also not proof that the FBI is harassing him because it is what they have to do with all evidence during a raid. All it proves is what we already knew. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 39 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You guys love to make ***** up. Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump. I'll wait. So not sure which is more idiotic. Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before. Again making things up? I never said such a thing. Point out where I said Trump should not be punished. It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that. Again counselor. You're sucking it big time. This has been an awesome read. S3 bloviating about whether or not something is material to a voter. 940 howling at the moon and letting the vulgarities fly like a truck driver at rush hour. I’ll answer the question posed, Chef. The number of presidents who left office and took confidential/top secret information with them is likely 100% of the presidents who left office. The number of high-ranking officials who handled classified and top secret intel inappropriately is likely quite high as well, up to and including maintaining documents at their private residence(s). 1
Chef Jim Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. You brought it up. Maybe you want to investigate everyone. In fact, maybe you should be investigated, too, just to make sure that all stones are turned. Whatever. I suggest you call your pals in QAnon, get working on that investigation of every living president except for Trump, and let us know where it goes. So you don't think that after all the investigations and impeachment proceedings against Trump that this may just also be a little politically motivated? Not good to be naive counselor. 35 minutes ago, Nineforty said: when even a sliver of justice is delivered for his crimes and treachery. thats when the republic can rest, even if just for a small moment. my apologies. so you are on the record that if Donald Trump broke 793e (part of the espionage act) and obstructed the investigation, that he should be prosecuted for these crimes? are you on the record that stealing property of the US Gov't (and some of its biggest secrets), should land this person in prison? Sure. But why have they only gone after him? Simple. They don't like him and they don't want him pulling their curtain back ever again. If the past four and a half years hasn't opened your eyes to the inner workings of the Federal Gov't (aka that Club You and I Will Never Get In) I can't help you. You and S3 are sadly naive.
snafu Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Point made. Sure. Trump had documents. But that photo provides zero context, except that the FBI and Justice Department shouldn't handle their investigation so cavalierly by releasing photos of their investigation. Not a good look for them -- especially since they fought to release the warrant affidavit and are fighting to have a Special Master review what was seized. Trump just might have done something wrong, but DOJ and FBI shouldn't be inconsistent. It hurts their case, if they have one. 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Top secret documents that are in no way secure. Putin loves that! I bet he hired prostitutes to pee on them. See, I can speculate, too! Edited August 31, 2022 by snafu
Nineforty Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So you don't think that after all the investigations and impeachment proceedings against Trump that this may just also be a little politically motivated? Not good to be naive counselor. Sure. But why have they only gone after him? Simple. They don't like him and they don't want him pulling their curtain back ever again. If the past four and a half years hasn't opened your eyes to the inner workings of the Federal Gov't (aka that Club You and I Will Never Get In) I can't help you. You and S3 are sadly naive. Lost cause #789,765,664 1
Nineforty Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, snafu said: Sure. Trump had documents. But that photo provides zero context, except that the FBI and Justice Department shouldn't handle their investigation so cavalierly by releasing photos of their investigation. Not a good look for them -- especially since they fought to release the warrant affidavit and are fighting to have a Special Master review what was seized. Trump just might have done something wrong, but DOJ and FBI shouldn't be inconsistent. It hurts their case, if they have one. I bet he hired prostitutes to pee on them. See, I can speculate, too! Dude. •Its standard practice for FBI agents to catalog and inventory when conducting a search warrant, including photographs. For obvious reasons, and not so obvious ones. •the only reason they "released" that photo (it was in a Federal Court filing you dimwit) was because the former President filed a bull#### motion, allowing the DOJ to provide more evidence of the criming and obstruction. If Trump doesn't file a motion destined to fail, we dont have that photo and all that it portends. There is only one side here slinging poo, and it ain't the DOJ. If you lived outside of the right-wing media echo chamber, maybe you would understand that that photo provides some new information and confirms a lot of the reporting to-date. 1
dpberr Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: The better question is whether there are “matters” that a president cannot alone declassify. The next question, of course, is whether Trump had such “matters” strewn about his floor in the photo that was released today. The Presidential power to both classify and declassify is quite expansive. If President Biden wants to declassify every document related to the JFK assassination for example, he can do so without asking anyone for permission. He can ask for the CIA's advice on the matter, but ultimately, it's his call. There is no material way a President of the United States can "steal" or abscond with classified documents. There is no higher authority. That's why I don't think there's anything here.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, Nineforty said: Dude. •Its standard practice for FBI agents to catalog and inventory when conducting a search warrant, including photographs. For obvious reasons, and not so obvious ones. •the only reason they "released" that photo (it was in a Federal Court filing you dimwit) was because the former President filed a bull#### motion, allowing the DOJ to provide more evidence of the criming and obstruction. If Trump doesn't file a motion destined to fail, we dont have that photo and all that it portends. There is only one side here slinging poo, and it ain't the DOJ. If you lived outside of the right-wing media echo chamber, maybe you would understand that that photo provides some new information and confirms a lot of the reporting to-date. 40 with this gem….”…the former President filed a bull### motion…”, that is, he availed himself of his rights under our system of justice. That’s not bull####, son. Next up from 40…”He didn’t turn surveillance off….obstruction” and concurrently “Why doesn’t he just submit if he has nothing to hide???”. 🤦🏼♂️
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Good answer. 🙄 So you disagree. That’s fine. But I think you’re pretty naive to think Trump is the first and only one to have done so. Comey admitted that he sent classified government documents to an acquaintance at the NY Times who then published the information in the paper. He acted with clear intent to disclose and by any standard being applied in conversations here for supporting an argument for Trump's guilt, he should be serving time for exposing "secrets". Hillary had unapproved servers at her home that got hacked by Russian and Chinese operatives, and most like Mossad too and perhaps other State actors. When busted and subpoenaed she ignored legal requirements to preserve evidence and destroyed and erased files and e-mails and obstructed the investigation. She denied the FBI access to the servers. Why didn't they raid her as she was uncooperative? She should be serving time for exposing "secrets". Both got a pass for far worse given we have proof they exposed secrets. To this point we know Trump had documents but there is no proof Trump exposed anything. It's all conjecture. Unless anyone has some inside information or firsthand knowledge, which I doubt. Edited August 31, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1
T master Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 10 hours ago, SectionC3 said: And, maybe, some time in the can. I'd love to hear the explanation for this one, MAGA. It's before 9a eastern, so you have plenty of time today to think of a nice hoax or some creative fake news to try to explain this away. Enjoy! https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47 I have a question where does this rank with deleting 100's it not thousands of emails from a gov't server I think this should be handled about the same as it was with Hillary . What say you oh well that's a dum question sorry that was all a hoax just to make Hillary look bad never mind ...
Albwan Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 It's finally happened again for the 1000th time.... because ap and some lefty monkey half wits say so. Sorry all you morons are mentally disturbed liars.
billsfan_34 Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Quick question. What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? Personally I think it’s likely pretty high. 🤷🏻♂️ Yeah, there is now way former President’s have classified documents. People must get a grip on reality. Im almost certain they all do. There are things that happen at the very top, captured in that moment in time, that no one else needs to see. That is why “they” are elected President’s with privileges that last a lifetime. Sorry, but that is just how it is. Should the DOJ/FBI go after Obama, Busch, Clinton, Carter et al? Heck, they left HRC alone after she destroyed servers and hard drives. Lets all take a step back for a moment, take the man/emotion out of the equation. Edited August 31, 2022 by billsfan_34
nedboy7 Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Irv said: When will the constant nonsense end? The man hasn't been President for over a year-and-a-half and you're still soiling yourself over him. Get a life. I think the issue is T is the fascist right’s presidential candidate. Not for long. Dude made a mess. 26 minutes ago, Albwan said: It's finally happened again for the 1000th time.... because ap and some lefty monkey half wits say so. Sorry all you morons are mentally disturbed liars. dont forget communist socialist fascists! 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Quick question. What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? Personally I think it’s likely pretty high. 🤷🏻♂️ I think that will hold up in court.
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