Which player on the roster baffles you that they are on this team?

[balln]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If they decided to keep Morris over Howard I can live with that, Morris is at least somewhat of an unknown. But we already know what Sweeney is in this league. For all intents and purposes the Bills had one TE on the roster last year, they stopped dressing Sweeney after his awful showing in the Panthers game. He can't block, he can't separate, he can't catch. He is not even a JAG. Personally I wouldn't even keep him on the PS. I just can't figure out why this regime would keep him over Howard considering the dead cap hit.

 

bc they value process and their own draft picks even failed ones way too long. Way, way way too long 

 

Nathan peterman 

cody ford (they tried to trot him out as starting guard. Then they tried playing him every other series last year )

and they’ll do it with boogie basham and aj espeneza who are a bunch of fringe JAGs 

[Rochesterfan]

59 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

What surprises me is not that Jones is a great gunner and therefore kept on the roster, but that year after year, they can't find a guy who they can coach up to be a really good gunner who is also a viable backup at a position of need.  So many good athletes pass through that don't make it.  Couldn't a backup CB, S, LB or (viable) RB be molded into a gunner over the course of a training camp or a season on the Practice Squad?  Or is it just that specialized a skill and Jones just that much better at it?  Given that I trust our coaching staff and front office, I'd have to say yes.

 

Why do you think it is coaching that keeps people from excelling at ST.

 

Across the league - there are a ton of special team only guys that really have no position on the field.

 

Much like other players they spend a ton of time practicing their role and watching film to prepare for the opponent.

 

Guys can be found and molded to become gunners, but then they will not have the time to devote to being a full time player at another position and basically you replace a special teams player with different ST only player.

 

Guys like Taiwan, Tyler, even Kumerow spend time preparing for their special teams role and then making sure that other players are versed in what needs to be done because they have not had the time to study the film and know the full gameplan.

 

We saw it back in the day with Tasker and Mark Pike - neither played more than a handful of snaps at their “positions” because they worked to hone the craft of special teams.  Late in his career they talked about using Tasker more as a WR, but he said that really interfered with his special teams play.  It hurt his coverage ability and his preparation time.

 

 

 

 

[BillsVet]

42 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

But I hope Kromer and Beane are combing the waiver wire for an upgrade.

 

I thought this roster was so stacked that mid-round draft picks had almost no hope of making the roster.

 

Trust the process?  When did that stop being the mantra? 

 

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

I thought this roster was so stacked that mid-round draft picks had almost no hope of making the roster.

 

That sounds like a "you" problem

6/8 draft picks made the roster, including our 2 "mid round" picks (since we lacked a 4th)

 

None of that addresses the issue of IOL 'cuz we didn't draft any IOL in any round

Edited August 31, 2022 by Beck Water

[Rochesterfan]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't agree with that. I'm not saying Howard played well but it was better than anything Sweeney has ever shown. You may be right that they decided that his heart isn't it, and I don't mind if that's why they cut him. I just don't agree Sweeney's "heart" comes anywhere close to bridging the talent gap.

 

All this being said it's possible Sweeney is a temporary roster spot that they'll eventually replace with a better TE or another position entirely. In that event no complaints from me.

 

I don’t know, but Sal must have mentioned it a dozen times or more.  Sweeney was always doing the right things in practice and catches nearly everything.  Howard was struggling to even figure out what he was doing, was out of position, and was having drop issues.  
 

Most of the media I heard - thought Howard was bad enough he did not deserve to be on the team and most thought his salary was enough that Beane would keep him just to avoid looking bad.

 

I think this is a bow shot to the team - salary doesn’t matter - I am willing keep our guys if you perform better.

[BillsVet]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That sounds like a "you" problem

 

Nah dude, I'm just reiterating what the a lotta people said around these parts before the draft.  

 

It's amazing Khalil Shakir made the team...that WR depth is gonna be fun to watch.  

[hemma]

I’m sure that Stevenson’s elegant presentation to the coaches of roast chicken with red wine demi-glace and polenta

had no effect at all on his retention.

 

[BillsVet]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

I don’t know, but Sal must have mentioned it a dozen times or more.  Sweeney was always doing the right things in practice and catches nearly everything.  Howard was struggling to even figure out what he was doing, was out of position, and was having drop issues.  

 

Listening to Sal takes for more than a minute can take a year off your life.  Somewhere it's been scientifically proven that's the case. 

[fergie's ire]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

Stevenson over Hodgins and Can Roten over Mancz make no sense to me. I’m no Sweeney fan, but I also don’t get all the hate he’s been getting. I think people just wanted to believe that OJ Howard would be good and don’t want to admit he sucked.

He legitimately played really well in the preseason.

Yeah, Mancz surprised because of how he was playing and because that leaves us with only one healthy backup interior lineman.  That's why I'm guessing they are bringing Mancz back as soon as they're allowed to re-sign him.

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Listening to Sal takes for more than a minute can take a year off your life.  Somewhere it's been scientifically proven that's the case. 

 

Better than some people on this board - at least he knows what he is talking about.

 

 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Tremaine Edmunds..... Had to do it😇

i believe the proper protocol would be start a new thread to express this

[die hard bills fan]

Spector

[BillsVet]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Better than some people on this board - at least he knows what he is talking about.

 

 

The caffeinated one?  People like him around here because he tells them what they want to hear.  If there was a class called Shill 101 he'd be teaching it. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

The caffeinated one?  People like him around here because he tells them what they want to hear.  If there was a class called Shill 101 he'd be teaching it. 

 

Sure - not like he has coached Football, established relationships with players and staff, told people how it was with players like Blackshear, Hodgins, and Howard - when everyone tweeting at him said we had to keep those 3 guys and he said they wouldn’t.

 

He is well connected and knows enough about not only football, but the coaching side that he can tell you what is going on, but go ahead and think he does it just to shill to the team.

 

If he was going to tell people what they wanted to hear - wouldn’t he be talking about cutting Taiwan, Tyler, Sweeney, and Kumerow and how Blackshear and Hodgins are on the team instead.

 

🤦‍♂️

[dpberr]

Andre Smith.

 

I don't understand why the Bills insist on keeping a suspended player that has sparingly played and was the result of a trade for a 7th round pick in 2020.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, dpberr said:

Andre Smith.

 

I don't understand why the Bills insist on keeping a suspended player that has sparingly played and was the result of a trade for a 7th round pick in 2020.

he doesn't count as a roster spot while suspended.

[Rochesterfan]

12 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Andre Smith.

 

I don't understand why the Bills insist on keeping a suspended player that has sparingly played and was the result of a trade for a 7th round pick in 2020.

 

Because he is a free roster spot at 0 cost.  If after 6 weeks there are no injuries - you cut him for nothing.  
 

Why wouldn’t they keep a free player?

 

 

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Nah dude, I'm just reiterating what the a lotta people said around these parts before the draft.  

 

It's amazing Khalil Shakir made the team...that WR depth is gonna be fun to watch.  

 

I don't remember everything people say here or in the media, but the predominant sentiment I heard when the Bills traded up in the 5th to take Shakir was that he was a "steal" for us.

 

So I don't think it was considered as a "bubble", then from the start of camp he was running smooth routes and releasing well.  He was clearly outplaying everyone but the top 4

[The Dean]

2 hours ago, msw2112 said:

 

What surprises me is not that Jones is a great gunner and therefore kept on the roster, but that year after year, they can't find a guy who they can coach up to be a really good gunner who is also a viable backup at a position of need.  So many good athletes pass through that don't make it.  Couldn't a backup CB, S, LB or (viable) RB be molded into a gunner over the course of a training camp or a season on the Practice Squad?  Or is it just that specialized a skill and Jones just that much better at it?  Given that I trust our coaching staff and front office, I'd have to say yes.

 

I'm thinking being a gunner is as much mindset as talent---much like a WR/TE being a good blocker. The technique can be taught, but not the mentality.

 

Plus you need a guy you KNOW (not hope) will be there game after game doing a great job.  Most RBs (just for example) are concentrating on breaking into the starting lineup as a RB. It's good to have a guy who knows his role and puts all of his effort into his ST position.

 

I've said it before and say it again. Too many posters have a disrespect of special teams. They would rather have a slightly better RB sitting on the very edge of the bench, rarely if ever getting into a game at that position, than have a stud ST player. Completely absurd, IMO.  If the RBs get injured, it's pretty damn easy to pick one up during the week. 

 

46 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Why do you think it is coaching that keeps people from excelling at ST.

 

Across the league - there are a ton of special team only guys that really have no position on the field.

 

Much like other players they spend a ton of time practicing their role and watching film to prepare for the opponent.

 

Guys can be found and molded to become gunners, but then they will not have the time to devote to being a full time player at another position and basically you replace a special teams player with different ST only player.

 

Guys like Taiwan, Tyler, even Kumerow spend time preparing for their special teams role and then making sure that other players are versed in what needs to be done because they have not had the time to study the film and know the full gameplan.

 

We saw it back in the day with Tasker and Mark Pike - neither played more than a handful of snaps at their “positions” because they worked to hone the craft of special teams.  Late in his career they talked about using Tasker more as a WR, but he said that really interfered with his special teams play.  It hurt his coverage ability and his preparation time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well said. Some here will never understand that, I think. 

[billybob71]

None of this back end of the roster stuff matters much, yeah I know this is a Bills message board so knock yourself out and discuss away... but we have Josh freaking Allen best QB in the league, that nullifies the whole Quintin over OJ or Hart over Mancz... etc it doesn't matter we have JOSH ALLEN people😁

Edited August 31, 2022 by billybob71