ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: His replacement probably doesn’t affect the top 51 contracts. It was a wash. There is no difference keeping Morris over Howard. You'll have to provide the math on that. I think we definetly ate money cutting him... Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 The glass half full take is they must really like Morris if they were willing to give up on Howard this quickly and eat his guarantees. 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The player they’re keeping instead of Howard won’t affect the cap. They eat Howard’s cap and replaced him with the lowest paid player on the roster. Wash each other out. You keep Morris or Sweeney over Howard. Howards contract is still on the books and you now add one of the two above on top of that. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Disappointing but he just didn’t look good out there. Look led sluggish. Seems like a solid guy, hope I h the best for him….. Morris will turn some heads this year. I noticed that too. Even on his TD catch against the Colts....he looked slow. I thought he was a guy that could shake a guy to get separation but he's running with led in his shoes. 1 Quote
518Buffalo Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 Howard’s money is a sunk cost. Yeah we shouldn’t have signed him in the first place, but it makes no sense not to go with the better player which seems to be Morris. We’re paying $3M for a TE2 either way, just a different guy 1 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, ddaryl said: You keep Morris or Sweeney over Howard. Howards contract is still on the books and you now add one of the two above on top of that. My bad. I was thinking offseason top 51 contracts. You’re correct. 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't like getting nothing for him and just eating the guaranteed salary. That seems silly. Nobody would give us a 7th rounder in 2025 for him or something? Beane has a track record for scoring late round picks for guys I think aren't tradeable because teams know they'll be cut. Ordinarily I'd say that if Beane couldn't work a trade for a guy it's a bad outlook for the player, but it's possible that Beane was rather distracted for 3 crucial days last week. On 8/29/2022 at 9:01 AM, ScottLaw said: What have you been watching? Film 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I noticed that too. Even on his TD catch against the Colts....he looked slow. I thought he was a guy that could shake a guy to get separation but he's running with led in his shoes. Concur. Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water Quote
Beck Water Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ddaryl said: You'll have to provide the math on that. I think we definetly ate money cutting him... You are correct. We ate money cutting him. We pay him $3.25M (higher than this year's cap hit because his amortized bonus for next year adds onto this year's cap, plus once the top-51 rule expires, the salary of his replacement counts. One of Magic Beane's rare blindspots is that he occasionally seems to over-value a guy's prior draft status and the potential it indicates in bringing him in on a multi-million guaranteed contract. Corey Coleman in 2018 was one example. OJ Howard joins the (relatively short) list. To be fair, the year(s) after a mistake like that, Beane tends to focus scout resources on the position and bring in quality players, so perhaps he'll turn his attention to TE in that regard. Doesn't help us this year, though. BTW, Beane wasn't wrong that Coleman has potential, because after us NE; a more hopeful Giants team; and KC all took chances on him. I can't blame Beane for taking a shot that our sports medicine and S&C people could help Howard, but I think he is just washed, physically. Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water 2 Quote
Jay_Fixit Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, BTB said: Should have known that a guy named OJ was not going to cut it with the Bills. I bet you thought this would land harder. 1 Quote
LabattBlue Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 Whatever guaranteed $$$ OJH got from the Bills, appears to be a nice parting gift…maybe the end of his NFL career. Quote
Mikie's Bills Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 The ideal alternate timeline is where JD McKissic signs with the money we signed OJ for. I wonder who we would've drafted in Round 2 instead of Cook. Assuming OL, looking at the board at who was available. OJ was done in TB, never expected much from him. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: You keep Morris or Sweeney over Howard. Howards contract is still on the books and you now add one of the two above on top of that. It costs $450k more to keep Morris and cut Howard. 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: The glass half full take is they must really like Morris if they were willing to give up on Howard this quickly and eat his guarantees. Very true. Morris Cap hit is basically 3.3M. 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: It costs $450k more to keep Morris and cut Howard. Yep - Morris is basically free. Its whether you wanted to pay howard to play or not play. I doubt his contract had offset language so you can recoup some cash if he signs elsewhere. Cap space is gone though. 1 Quote
FilthyBeast Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 I've been critical of Bean in the past but misfiring on Howard pales in comparison to some of his other failures like trading Wyatt Teller, Vernon Butler, Star L, etc. But the bigger issue here is just because Morris and Sweeney both presumably make the final roster don't mean they are any good vs. Howard being that bad/finished in the NFL. 1 Quote
Ta111 Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: It costs $450k more to keep Morris and cut Howard. Small price to pay. You keep the players that are going to make your team better. Edited August 30, 2022 by Ta111 1 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ta111 said: Small price to pay. You keep the players that are going to make your team better. Especially for 450k! If its a 10M difference in cap hit or something there's a lot that goes into that decision. But a 450k difference? Just pull the trigger. Quote
Dopey Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BTB said: Should have known that a guy named OJ was not going to cut it with the Bills. with a first name like that, he HAD to get CUT! Quote
Simon Says Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: If he was singend for the vet minimum maybe, but a fully guarenteed contract that he had kept him out of any possible trade probablilities. I wondered if they were trying to make a deal. Quote
ddaryl Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Georgie said: I wondered if they were trying to make a deal. I'm sure it was brought up in coversations. You always kick the tires Quote
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 Howard even admitted that he was have a slow time grasping all of the terminology, calls and plays. I'm glad we kept the younger guys. I know I'm in the minority when it comes to Sweeney, but I still feel he has a high ceiling and feel that the coaching changes are going to help him reach a higher level. Go Bills!!!!! Quote
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