T master Posted August 28, 2022 Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) So in another stroke of brilliance as can only be from the great state of California their illustrious leader/leaders have proposed a bill to ban ALL sales of new gas powered cars by the year 2035 . From now till then what will this do to the price of gas in the US not to mention the already ridiculous price of cars & trucks due to such a law ? Plus what else will come from this ? Maybe they will put a extra tax on those coming into the state that drive gas powered cars, maybe those that decide or can't afford to buy electric cars & keep their old gas powered cars will be charged more in a higher registration fee, & we know there will be higher taxes on gas in general to pay for the infrastructure change over . I could see if they would use just a little bit of common sense & maybe say in LA seeing as it has always had a smog problem for years making some kind of change there to cut back which i think would be good but this seems to go right along the same thoughts of giving out hypo's to drug addicts as long as they turn them back in after they use them . How's that stroke of genius working out ? I can see NYS & some others following along with this same kind of thing because of the big cities just because the brilliance in that & other government bodies are just about the same as that of California's ! I think in the long run the rush to put something like this into law will only do more harm than good because they as usual just rush into it with out much if any study on what it will exactly take to make this a success . Success & ramifications be damned because this is our idea so make it so number one despite the consequences !! Let's not start small study it & work up form there with the data gathered from it let's just do the hole enchilada and then when it does screw up we will deal with that by spending more money to fix that after it's implementation . If all of this was only caused by fossil fuels they may be onto something but there is much more to this entire equation but that doesn't fit the narrative or agenda to what they are trying to accomplish so put ALL the blame on cars only & do away with fossil fueled cars to make this a perfect fossil fuel to produce electric car type world . Edit: I've heard that California is at it still once again as if they haven't done enough damage already this is some more liberal brilliance at it's best !! Now they want to make minimum wage $22.00 per hr for jobs that are for beginners in the work force . So how many taco's of Hamburgers will they have to sell per hr to pay the 6 or so folks preparing them & then have enough profit to pay the bills & every thing else ? They are a bunch of ding bats ! Plus if this spreads all across the country if they get it to go through my wages will automatically have to go up because i am a journey man in certain area's of construction so if menial jobs like preparing burgers or taco's has a cost of $22.00 per hr my $35.00 per hr for 30 + yrs of experience just went to $50 . But these wacka doodles don't get it it's all relevant & this is more than likely in part because of the highest taxes in the land that they've put on the people plus record inflation that the the Inflation act is going to fix !! What a bunch of screw lose MF ers !! Edited September 2, 2022 by T master
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 28, 2022 Posted August 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, T master said: So in another stroke of brilliance as can only be from the great state of California their illustrious leader/leaders have proposed a bill to ban ALL sales of new gas powered cars by the year 2035 . From now till then what will this do to the price of gas in the US not to mention the already ridiculous price of cars & trucks due to such a law ? Plus what else will come from this ? Maybe they will put a extra tax on those coming into the state that drive gas powered cars, maybe those that decide or can't afford to buy electric cars & keep their old gas powered cars will be charged more in a higher registration fee, & we know there will be higher taxes on gas in general to pay for the infrastructure change over . I could see if they would use just a little bit of common sense & maybe say in LA seeing as it has always had a smog problem for years making some kind of change there to cut back which i think would be good but this seems to go right along the same thoughts of giving out hypo's to drug addicts as long as they turn them back in after they use them . How's that stroke of genius working out ? I can see NYS & some others following along with this same kind of thing because of the big cities just because the brilliance in that & other government bodies are just about the same as that of California's ! I think in the long run the rush to put something like this into law will only do more harm than good because they as usual just rush into it with out much if any study on what it will exactly take to make this a success . Success & ramifications be damned because this is our idea so make it so number one despite the consequences !! Let's not start small study it & work up form there with the data gathered from it let's just do the hole enchilada and then when it does screw up we will deal with that by spending more money to fix that after it's implementation . If all of this was only caused by fossil fuels they may be onto something but there is much more to this entire equation but that doesn't fit the narrative or agenda to what they are trying to accomplish so put ALL the blame on cars only & do away with fossil fueled cars to make this a perfect fossil fuel to produce electric car type world . next will be outlawing meat and flatulence 1
unbillievable Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 They already have scheduled electrical "Black Outs". How are they going to accommodate the influx of electric vehicles on the power grid? Not to mention they already have laws to convert to Green Energy, which many experts say are already hitting their theoretical max contribution capacity. I imagine the next step will be to outlaw vehicles within city limits.
Tiberius Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 Good to see the climate crisis being taken seriously. California is the most society on the planet ❤️ 1 1 1
Backintheday544 Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 15 hours ago, T master said: So in another stroke of brilliance as can only be from the great state of California their illustrious leader/leaders have proposed a bill to ban ALL sales of new gas powered cars by the year 2035 . From now till then what will this do to the price of gas in the US not to mention the already ridiculous price of cars & trucks due to such a law ? Plus what else will come from this ? Maybe they will put a extra tax on those coming into the state that drive gas powered cars, maybe those that decide or can't afford to buy electric cars & keep their old gas powered cars will be charged more in a higher registration fee, & we know there will be higher taxes on gas in general to pay for the infrastructure change over . I could see if they would use just a little bit of common sense & maybe say in LA seeing as it has always had a smog problem for years making some kind of change there to cut back which i think would be good but this seems to go right along the same thoughts of giving out hypo's to drug addicts as long as they turn them back in after they use them . How's that stroke of genius working out ? I can see NYS & some others following along with this same kind of thing because of the big cities just because the brilliance in that & other government bodies are just about the same as that of California's ! I think in the long run the rush to put something like this into law will only do more harm than good because they as usual just rush into it with out much if any study on what it will exactly take to make this a success . Success & ramifications be damned because this is our idea so make it so number one despite the consequences !! Let's not start small study it & work up form there with the data gathered from it let's just do the hole enchilada and then when it does screw up we will deal with that by spending more money to fix that after it's implementation . If all of this was only caused by fossil fuels they may be onto something but there is much more to this entire equation but that doesn't fit the narrative or agenda to what they are trying to accomplish so put ALL the blame on cars only & do away with fossil fueled cars to make this a perfect fossil fuel to produce electric car type world . Your post ignores several things. First, the EU already put this law in place and CA is just following suit. ( If CA was a country it would have the fifth largest economy in the world too). Second the US govt also pledged to stop purchasing gas cars by 2035. With the above, especially in the EU the auto industry was part of those negotiations and did get some concessions in these plans. Also, with CA, US govt and the EU, it could be enough economic pressure to force the stopping of production on gas cars. You’re looking at the US power grid as of today and are ignoring the bi-partisan infrastructure bill that is designed to update the US power grid to fix the problem of everyone having electric cars. As for gas prices with more people using electric, if we’re looking at basic Econ, wouldn’t the decrease in demand decrease price (assume then OPEC et all would shift supply to maintain gas prices) You rant about a whole bunch of what ifs without any justification or reasons to believe those will occur except for your feels. 1 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Your post ignores several things. First, the EU already put this law in place and CA is just following suit. ( If CA was a country it would have the fifth largest economy in the world too). Second the US govt also pledged to stop purchasing gas cars by 2035. With the above, especially in the EU the auto industry was part of those negotiations and did get some concessions in these plans. Also, with CA, US govt and the EU, it could be enough economic pressure to force the stopping of production on gas cars. You’re looking at the US power grid as of today and are ignoring the bi-partisan infrastructure bill that is designed to update the US power grid to fix the problem of everyone having electric cars. As for gas prices with more people using electric, if we’re looking at basic Econ, wouldn’t the decrease in demand decrease price (assume then OPEC et all would shift supply to maintain gas prices) You rant about a whole bunch of what ifs without any justification or reasons to believe those will occur except for your feels. If people in California are so stupid that they elect officials that issue continuous proclamations and regulations and pass laws banning all kinds of things and imposing one restriction or another on their choices and freedoms its their business. What will happen is people and business will migrate to other "free enterprise" friendly jurisdictions and states. And what's left of it, well I wish them good luck. While I've got nothing against the fundamental idea of electrifying the US vehicle fleet I think the idea as currently presented is a fantasy based on wishful thinking. I don't see "the plan" for producing all the additional carbon free electricity that will be required to charge all those vehicles. For now its mostly fossil fuel consuming power plants which begs the question what's the point if all you're doing is moving the CO2 production from one step in the process to another while incurring all kinds of additional costs and inefficiencies? You can issue all the edicts you want but there's got to be some associated actions and I just don't think these geniuses running policy have any credible plan to put in place the physical infrastructure to support it all. Why its not obvious to more people I don't understand. 1
SoCal Deek Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 Speaking as someone who actually lives in California, I can tell you that this place is almost unrecognizable these days. The state has become a aesthetic dump. If you can look through the trash, graffiti and homeless encampments you can just barely make out the natural beauty that attracted so many to come here….including myself many decades ago. If you haven’t visited lately I guarantee you’ll be shocked. Now, with regards to electric vehicles I have to say the mandate is probably the only way to get to where they want to go. Unfortunately it’s another virtue signal filled gesture that will do little to help the planet while having adverse consequences to the overall quality of life. But I guess that’s the goal. The Church of Climate Change requires sacrifices be made to the Earth God.
TSOL Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 https://www.thestreet.com/technology/ford-has-bad-news-for-ev-buyers. For raising the prices of F-150 EV's between $6000 and $8500 dollars for 2023 model year.
Backintheday544 Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: If people in California are so stupid that they elect officials that issue continuous proclamations and regulations and pass laws banning all kinds of things and imposing one restriction or another on their choices and freedoms its their business. What will happen is people and business will migrate to other "free enterprise" friendly jurisdictions and states. And what's left of it, well I wish them good luck. While I've got nothing against the fundamental idea of electrifying the US vehicle fleet I think the idea as currently presented is a fantasy based on wishful thinking. I don't see "the plan" for producing all the additional carbon free electricity that will be required to charge all those vehicles. For now its mostly fossil fuel consuming power plants which begs the question what's the point if all you're doing is moving the CO2 production from one step in the process to another while incurring all kinds of additional costs and inefficiencies? You can issue all the edicts you want but there's got to be some associated actions and I just don't think these geniuses running policy have any credible plan to put in place the physical infrastructure to support it all. Why its not obvious to more people I don't understand. That’s an interesting what if that doesn’t seem to be an issue. CAs GDP is up 16.69 percent over 5 years. (https://www.deptofnumbers.com/gdp/california/) Compared to TX which is 12.32 (https://www.deptofnumbers.com/gdp/texas/) This while CA offers lower state and local taxes than TX: https://www.instagram.com/p/CdgZ6KOOGww/?igshid=ZWQxOWIzNTU= https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php According to ITEP, Texans whose salaries fall into the lowest 20 percent of income earners (making less than $20,900 annually) pay about 13 percent of their income in state and local taxes. Meanwhile, Californians in the bottom 20 percent (making less than $23,200 annually) pay 10.5 percent. In Texas, the middle 20 percent of income earners ($35,800-$56,000) pay 9.7 percent in state and local taxes in contrast to middle income Californians ($39,100-$62,300), who only pay 8.9 percent. Most glaringly, the top 1 percent of earners in Texas ($617,900 or more) pay 3.1 percent of their income in contrast to top earnings in California ($714,400 or more) who pay 12.4 percent. So I’d think people would want to go a lower taxes jurisdiction that has an actual electric grid that’s seeing higher economic growth.
OrangeBills Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: Your post ignores several things. First, the EU already put this law in place and CA is just following suit. ( If CA was a country it would have the fifth largest economy in the world too). Second the US govt also pledged to stop purchasing gas cars by 2035. With the above, especially in the EU the auto industry was part of those negotiations and did get some concessions in these plans. Also, with CA, US govt and the EU, it could be enough economic pressure to force the stopping of production on gas cars. You’re looking at the US power grid as of today and are ignoring the bi-partisan infrastructure bill that is designed to update the US power grid to fix the problem of everyone having electric cars. As for gas prices with more people using electric, if we’re looking at basic Econ, wouldn’t the decrease in demand decrease price (assume then OPEC et all would shift supply to maintain gas prices) You rant about a whole bunch of what ifs without any justification or reasons to believe those will occur except for your feels. I'll help you out here...these politicians making these calls are not smart. Not only that, they are driven by an agenda, making them doubly dangerous. The most obvious example is the Global (east-to-west: Japan, China, Europe, United States, California) renewed Love Affair with Nuclear Energy. They (being the Global Leftist-Eco-Elitists) should NEVER have called for the retirement of existing Fission Reactors and essentially ruled out the construction of new ones. Those were catastrophic errors and over-reactions to what was an awful situation...but many, many more people will be negatively affected, including die, from these disastrous policy mistakes over the next few years based on those decisions. The US Infrastructure Bill...gimme a break. You guys fall hook-line-sinker for these Democrat "print-money policy bills" like your idols are actually doing something. It's really sad, but it propels the insanity. Here's an article from a typcial Left-wing news source, Bloomberg, that admits that the Gov't charging stations often don't work: The EV Charging Buildout Has a Problem: Many Stations Don’t Work - Bloomberg 10 years ago the Obama Admin canceled Space Flight, great idea...not. Now realizing how bad they've actually screwed Western Civilization with their Energy plans, the Biden Admin is trying to claim credit for Fusion, which IS the eventual solution but is a decade or two away. Trump is a pretty terrible person, but read up on what he told Germany about being hostage to Russian Nat Gas. I'll take a guy that makes jokes in poor taste, but doesn't also torpedo entire civlizations' futures based on Power/Energy 1
OrangeBills Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 46 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: If people in California are so stupid that they elect officials that issue continuous proclamations and regulations and pass laws banning all kinds of things and imposing one restriction or another on their choices and freedoms its their business. What will happen is people and business will migrate to other "free enterprise" friendly jurisdictions and states. And what's left of it, well I wish them good luck. While I've got nothing against the fundamental idea of electrifying the US vehicle fleet I think the idea as currently presented is a fantasy based on wishful thinking. I don't see "the plan" for producing all the additional carbon free electricity that will be required to charge all those vehicles. For now its mostly fossil fuel consuming power plants which begs the question what's the point if all you're doing is moving the CO2 production from one step in the process to another while incurring all kinds of additional costs and inefficiencies? You can issue all the edicts you want but there's got to be some associated actions and I just don't think these geniuses running policy have any credible plan to put in place the physical infrastructure to support it all. Why its not obvious to more people I don't understand. Correct, these are Smog-reduction propositions, with some improvement in efficiency but also likely destructive for the grid. Battery storage technologies are where investors should be looking here
Backintheday544 Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, OrangeBills said: The US Infrastructure Bill...gimme a break. You guys fall hook-line-sinker for these Democrat "print-money policy bills" like your idols are actually doing something. It's really sad, but it propels the insanity. Here's an article from a typcial Left-wing news source, Bloomberg, that admits that the Gov't charging stations often don't work: The EV Charging Buildout Has a Problem: Many Stations Don’t Work - Bloomberg The infrastructure bill was a bi-partisan bill that included putting $73 billion into the electrical grid. Bi-partisan means it voted yes and supported by both Republicans and Democrats. Until you learn basic US politics, you’re opinion is worthless and you’re just spitting out asinine points. Not the best source but someone with rudimentary understanding of US politics should probably start their education here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States
T master Posted August 29, 2022 Author Posted August 29, 2022 8 hours ago, TSOL said: https://www.thestreet.com/technology/ford-has-bad-news-for-ev-buyers. For raising the prices of F-150 EV's between $6000 and $8500 dollars for 2023 model year. I reply'd to another post with this about the electric batteries & this guy tells how & what will happen to the prices & why but you can't tell ignorant people like Tibs or BT anything like this because they just simply don't care about reality they are living in a dream scenario following what ever their glorious leader spouts off ! But hey TIbs & BT have the money why should they care about the other little people just like their leader which is a lot like this guy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg66kwRnOpw Even if anyone that believes hole heartedly that electric is the way of the future & that it is the only way to save the planet they won't believe a thing this guy says because the Great Bideny & his minions have spoken !! 1
T master Posted August 29, 2022 Author Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Your post ignores several things. First, the EU already put this law in place and CA is just following suit. ( If CA was a country it would have the fifth largest economy in the world too). Second the US govt also pledged to stop purchasing gas cars by 2035. With the above, especially in the EU the auto industry was part of those negotiations and did get some concessions in these plans. Also, with CA, US govt and the EU, it could be enough economic pressure to force the stopping of production on gas cars. You’re looking at the US power grid as of today and are ignoring the bi-partisan infrastructure bill that is designed to update the US power grid to fix the problem of everyone having electric cars. As for gas prices with more people using electric, if we’re looking at basic Econ, wouldn’t the decrease in demand decrease price (assume then OPEC et all would shift supply to maintain gas prices) You rant about a whole bunch of what ifs without any justification or reasons to believe those will occur except for your feels. Okay so by putting gas powered cars out of business and the rising costs of in just 2 years of making batteries being 144% then seeing as the US is already in some $33 trillion of debt how much more will this little change to completely rebuild the infrastructure to add all this added grid to suffice these cars ? Then for those that can't afford to pay some $76000 to $90000 dollars for say a pick up truck or instead of paying say $20000 for a kia they have to pay $40000 but can't afford it & the cost of gas you can bet will more than likely quadruple by that time too . Look at what i reply'd earlier the contradiction of battery operated vehicles this man knows more & has done more research than you & your entire family & the US gov't combined this will in no way be a easy or cheap conversion they have already spent so much inflation is going crazy OH wait that's trumps fault i forgot . Biden has put no effort into research it's just charge ahead & be damned about the rest if they would even in the slightest way consider say doing this 1 city at a time like LA then collecting the data taking it & making improvements on the plan but it's bull in the china shop forge ahead & buy everything they need from China while they are at it . If it's completely broke then fix it but if it's in need of repair don't just throw it all out the window on a whim ! I remember back in the 70's 2 guys rebuilt a carburetor on a Mercury capri with a 302 in it then drove it from NYC to Miami & the cat got 50 MPG in the 70's but you never heard of it again . So tell me there isn't something pretty dam shady going on & of you don't think so your a fool then there are a bunch of other things these people have been playing with that has helped their cause . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf78rEAJvhY&t=1402s If they would bring it all to light and be truthful then i might believe some of what they say but if their mouth is moving they are probably lying & after they are long gone will profit from it !! As far as the EU putting this law in place so we went from being leaders to followers now monkey see monkey do ! The EU had a brilliant plan of 1 money so that means we should do it too Britain was smart enough to get out because they saw the writing on the wall !! Edited August 29, 2022 by T master
Backintheday544 Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, T master said: Okay so by putting gas powered cars out of business and the rising costs of in just 2 years of making batteries being 144% then seeing as the US is already in some $33 trillion of debt how much more will this little change to completely rebuild the infrastructure to add all this added grid to suffice these cars ? Then for those that can't afford to pay some $76000 to $90000 dollars for say a pick up truck or instead of paying say $20000 for a kia they have to pay $40000 but can't afford it & the cost of gas you can bet will more than likely quadruple by that time too . Look at what i reply'd earlier the contradiction of battery operated vehicles this man knows more & has done more research than you & your entire family & the US gov't combined this will in no way be a easy or cheap conversion they have already spent so much inflation is going crazy OH wait that's trumps fault i forgot . Biden has put no effort into research it's just charge ahead & be damned about the rest if they would even in the slightest way consider say doing this 1 city at a time like LA then collecting the data taking it & making improvements on the plan but it's bull in the china shop forge ahead & buy everything they need from China while they are at it . If it's completely broke then fix it but if it's in need of repair don't just throw it all out the window on a whim ! I remember back in the 70's 2 guys rebuilt a carburetor on a Mercury capri with a 302 in it then drove it from NYC to Miami & the cat got 50 MPG in the 70's but you never heard of it again . So tell me there isn't something pretty dam shady going on & of you don't think so your a fool then there are a bunch of other things these people have been playing with that has helped their cause . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf78rEAJvhY&t=1402s If they would bring it all to light and be truthful then i might believe some of what they say but if their mouth is moving they are probably lying & after they are long gone will profit from it !! As far as the EU putting this law in place so we went from being leaders to followers now monkey see monkey do ! The EU had a brilliant plan of 1 money so that means we should do it too Britain was smart enough to get out because they saw the writing on the wall !! Have you researched any of this? Your first post was full of factual errors and so is this. 1. The bi-partisan infrastructure bill puts $73 billion into the electrical grid and another $7.5 billion into EV charging infrastructure as well. This is spending agreed upon by both parties. 2. There’s no right to a pickup truck in the Constitution. If you can’t afford a pick up truck, you don’t buy one. Plus the Inflation Reduction Act allowed for tax credits to help reduce the cost. 3. The Inflation Reduction Act takes away credits and provides incentives for batteries not made in China and cars assembled on North America. 4. Biden isn’t charging ahead on this. This is a CA policy that follows an EU policy that was negotiated with car companies. 5. Britain who you point out has banned the sales of gas car by 2030, 5 years earlier than the EU and CA: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidrvetter/2020/11/18/britain-will-ban-gasoline-cars-in-2030-why-are-experts-not-impressed/?sh=690910ef36e4 1
T master Posted August 29, 2022 Author Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: Have you researched any of this? Your first post was full of factual errors and so is this. 1. The bi-partisan infrastructure bill puts $73 billion into the electrical grid and another $7.5 billion into EV charging infrastructure as well. This is spending agreed upon by both parties. 2. There’s no right to a pickup truck in the Constitution. If you can’t afford a pick up truck, you don’t buy one. Plus the Inflation Reduction Act allowed for tax credits to help reduce the cost. 3. The Inflation Reduction Act takes away credits and provides incentives for batteries not made in China and cars assembled on North America. 4. Biden isn’t charging ahead on this. This is a CA policy that follows an EU policy that was negotiated with car companies. 5. Britain who you point out has banned the sales of gas car by 2030, 5 years earlier than the EU and CA: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidrvetter/2020/11/18/britain-will-ban-gasoline-cars-in-2030-why-are-experts-not-impressed/?sh=690910ef36e4 With all the talk that Biden has had on this subject you don't think he is behind it common man your not that big of a fool are you ? The Inflation Reduction Act is about as useful as the the "Affordable Health care act" which was in no way affordable i say that because before it's inception i was shopping insurance which was going to be $280 a month immediately after the "Affordable Health care act" was put into law it went to $600 a month ! This Inflation Reduction Act will cause more inflation not less you can't borrow money & expect it to bring down the deficit & as deep as the US is in debt borrowing more money is not the cure it is the reason why we have the highest inflation in history right now . And China will be a part of anything the US builds they are so deep into us now they basically run this country & we just keep going along with it because the business owners have moved all our manufacturing there if you don;t believe it look back at the pandemic when we had to wait to get things from them & the supply chain disruption that is still happening today .
Beach Posted August 29, 2022 Posted August 29, 2022 maybe i need to sell gas cars on the other side of the state line?
Backintheday544 Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, T master said: With all the talk that Biden has had on this subject you don't think he is behind it common man your not that big of a fool are you ? The Inflation Reduction Act is about as useful as the the "Affordable Health care act" which was in no way affordable i say that because before it's inception i was shopping insurance which was going to be $280 a month immediately after the "Affordable Health care act" was put into law it went to $600 a month ! This Inflation Reduction Act will cause more inflation not less you can't borrow money & expect it to bring down the deficit & as deep as the US is in debt borrowing more money is not the cure it is the reason why we have the highest inflation in history right now . And China will be a part of anything the US builds they are so deep into us now they basically run this country & we just keep going along with it because the business owners have moved all our manufacturing there if you don;t believe it look back at the pandemic when we had to wait to get things from them & the supply chain disruption that is still happening today . The inflation reduction act has been scored by CBO to reduce the deficit by over $100 billion: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58366 The rest of your comments are just indescribable nonsense.
T master Posted August 30, 2022 Author Posted August 30, 2022 12 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: The inflation reduction act has been scored by CBO to reduce the deficit by over $100 billion: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58366 The rest of your comments are just indescribable nonsense. Okay you Tibs & BT go do your daily hang & give praise to all things Joe - just by you saying that you can borrow money & add to the debt/deficit to pay it down tells me all i need to know . Add nearly $1 trillion by the time it's all said & done to the debt & it pays down the deficit $100 billion by putting $73 billion into the grid & $7.5 billion into EV charging then add the compounded interest daily to the some $30 trillion already owed yep that Joe/US economics 1 0 1 ... What school did you learn your economics from ? Let's compare your economics to mine - my house is paid for - i own all of my vehicles - i have a good chunk of money set back just in case of emergency - glory to god for it all 🙌 . Your turn . Oh & by the way the pick up truck reference in my past reply was to tell you exactly what you said but in your imminent wisdom you said exactly what i meant . If you can't afford it because of the cost of the batteries have increased by 144% in one year you have to keep your gas powered car which then you have to pay inflated gas prices (and the taxes added to that to pay for the inflation reduction act) because they aren't selling as much so have to increase the price to make it worth wild to produce it still or if your car is old & you need a new one & can't buy a gas powered car your screwed & have to pay the higher priced electric car so thanks for the constitutional reference proving my point . As Journey said in it famous song "Don't stop Believing - hold on to that feeling" and it will all get better soon .
Backintheday544 Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 38 minutes ago, T master said: Okay you Tibs & BT go do your daily hang & give praise to all things Joe - just by you saying that you can borrow money & add to the debt/deficit to pay it down tells me all i need to know . Add nearly $1 trillion by the time it's all said & done to the debt & it pays down the deficit $100 billion by putting $73 billion into the grid & $7.5 billion into EV charging then add the compounded interest daily to the some $30 trillion already owed yep that Joe/US economics 1 0 1 ... What school did you learn your economics from ? Let's compare your economics to mine - my house is paid for - i own all of my vehicles - i have a good chunk of money set back just in case of emergency - glory to god for it all 🙌 . Your turn . Oh & by the way the pick up truck reference in my past reply was to tell you exactly what you said but in your imminent wisdom you said exactly what i meant . If you can't afford it because of the cost of the batteries have increased by 144% in one year you have to keep your gas powered car which then you have to pay inflated gas prices (and the taxes added to that to pay for the inflation reduction act) because they aren't selling as much so have to increase the price to make it worth wild to produce it still or if your car is old & you need a new one & can't buy a gas powered car your screwed & have to pay the higher priced electric car so thanks for the constitutional reference proving my point . As Journey said in it famous song "Don't stop Believing - hold on to that feeling" and it will all get better soon . I think the difference between say me and @Tiberius and you is we understand concepts like economics, politics and general reading comprehension. If you read the CBO scoring of the I clarion Reduction Act, revenues from the laws in the act, exceed spending. When that occurs, the deficit decreases. Comparing a household to a Federal govt is dumb but to use your example, say you just got $100 raise. Part of the raise requires you to spend $30 on new equipment. So you still have a $70 raise. Here, the govt is spending money but their raise is bigger than they’re spending. If we look at basic Econ, when demand for a good decreases, the price decreases. Absent all the other factors that affect gas, if more people have electric cars, demand for gas will decrease, which would decrease price.
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