Matt Barkley...Keep on the Roster

[Since1981]

I thought Josh relationship was the driving reason—Josh wanted the return. If we need a 3rd string, he’s as good as any and if he and Josh are productive in the QB room, all the better. 

[Dan Darragh]

  On 8/29/2022 at 9:43 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

Jeff Tuel? 

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I think the last pass Jeff threw went to someone wearing a different color uniform

[Simon Says]

  On 8/28/2022 at 6:42 PM, Charles Romes said:

Helped set the league record for number of Matts to punt for one team in a single preseason. Unlikely to ever be broken. 

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I had thought about the Matt "syndrome" but didn't want to go there, yet. Thanks for breaking the ice 🧊!

[Don Otreply]

When Barkley goes to the PS he will then be part of the QB room, he doesn’t need to be on the 53 to do that.  
 

if the sh-t hits the fan he can be called up to play…, 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Don Otreply

[Mr. WEO]

The board was screaming for another Barkley thread.

 

Thank you...

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 8/29/2022 at 12:18 AM, Einstein said:

Pre-season Statistics

 

Barkley: 34/45, 76%, 389 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

Keenum: 35/49, 71%, 314 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT

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Keenum has 78 TD and 48 INT in his career for a 2.2% INT and an 86 QB rating

Barkley 11 TD 22 INT with 6.7% INT and 66 QB rating

 

These players are not comparable.

  On 8/29/2022 at 12:04 AM, AlfaBill said:

I guess you forgot how he helped dismantle the Fish 2 years ago when they were fighting for a playoff spot? The guy can play. He’s probably not better than Keenum but to call him flat out terrible is wrong. 

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11 TD 22 INT......66 rating......in the NFL today that is about as terrible as it gets and still be getting chances to be an emergency QB or a #2 after a team has injuries at the position.

[Beck Water]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:48 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Keenum has 78 TD and 48 INT in his career for a 2.2% INT and an 86 QB rating

Barkley 11 TD 22 INT with 6.7% INT and 66 QB rating

 

These players are not comparable.

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Thank you.  I believe you're aware of the following, but to the OP you responded to what follows below needs saying:

 

The only reason Barkley vs Keenum is a question, is because Keenum had a rough outing in the first preseason game behind a jailbreak OL throwing to second and third string WR who were possibly not where they were supposed to be, when they were supposed to be there.  Plus, it may have been a "progress check" where he realized he wasn't as fully versed in how to run the offense against totally different defensive looks, as he thought he was.

 

During the 2nd preseason game when playing behind the 1s or a mix of 1s and 2s,  Keenum looked like what he is - a fully functional NFL QB who does not quite have the physical tools to start in the league.

 

He is the backup, and he knows he is the backup.  He indirectly said that in his post-game presser, explaining how important the game is to the players who were "playing for a job" and explaining "he's been there".  Note the tense, he's not there now, and he knows it.

 

Preseason stats are meaningless.  If they meant something, Peterman would be proudly starting at QB for the Bills.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Beck Water

[AlfaBill]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:48 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Keenum has 78 TD and 48 INT in his career for a 2.2% INT and an 86 QB rating

Barkley 11 TD 22 INT with 6.7% INT and 66 QB rating

 

These players are not comparable.

 

11 TD 22 INT......66 rating......in the NFL today that is about as terrible as it gets and still be getting chances to be an emergency QB or a #2 after a team has injuries at the position.

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I’m looking at his time with the Bills. I don’t care what he did over his career with other teams. As a back up he’s been solid here. That’s all you can ask for. 

[Captain Caveman]

  On 8/29/2022 at 10:26 AM, Georgie said:

 

And,I thought teams are allowed to pay MORE than the PS minimum.

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A little, but not much - maximum I believe for 2022 is about 20k per week - still a 600k pay cut from being on the roster.

[ColoradoBills]

  On 8/29/2022 at 6:30 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

That's interesting.

 

OverTheCap and Spotrac have quite different details for Keenum's contract. Spotrac lists the Browns contract as his latest, with no money guaranteed, and OverTheCap says the Bills signed him to a new contract. "Following a trade to the Bills, Case Keenum agreed to a new contract worth $3.5 million according to ESPN's Field Yates." They list $2M as guaranteed.

 

Wonder which is true.

 

Both have his salary at $3.5M, but the guarantees are quite different.

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Thanks.  One thing we all have to accept is these sites do the best they can for us fans but the official stuff is only known by the teams/NFL.

 

  On 8/29/2022 at 2:25 PM, Captain Caveman said:

 

A little, but not much - maximum I believe for 2022 is about 20k per week - still a 600k pay cut from being on the roster.

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It seems so.  There was more tweaking of the PS in the last year and it does sound like there is a maximum now.

[Billy Claude]

  On 8/29/2022 at 2:25 PM, Captain Caveman said:

 

A little, but not much - maximum I believe for 2022 is about 20k per week - still a 600k pay cut from being on the roster.

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Is there a maximum?  Former Bills rb Jonathon Williams got 510K to sign with the Broncos p.s. after he was cut by the Bills.

 

Unless the rules, changed, I think the maximum is whatever the team is willing to pay, though I agree that the Bills won't give Barkley much more than the minimum allowed.

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Billy Claude

[ColoradoBills]

  On 8/29/2022 at 3:30 PM, Billy Claude said:

 

Is there a maximum?  Former Bills rb Jonathon Williams got 510K to sign with the Broncos p.s. after he was cut by the Bills.

 

Unless the rules, changed, I think the maximum is whatever the team is willing to pay, though I agree that the Bills won't give Barkley much more than the minimum allowed.

 

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From what I have been reading it seems they changed that rule in the last year to set a vet maximum.

[AuntieEm]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:28 PM, Georgie said:

I had thought about the Matt "syndrome" but didn't want to go there, yet. Thanks for breaking the ice 🧊!

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And when your Bills Mafia its serious when you go to the matts.

[Billy Claude]

  On 8/29/2022 at 3:36 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

From what I have been reading it seems they changed that rule in the last year to set a vet maximum.

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Ok.  Thanks, didn't know about the rule change.

 

 

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

  On 8/29/2022 at 3:44 PM, Billy Claude said:

 

Ok.  Thanks, didn't know about the rule change.

 

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The article was just updated today (it corrected the number of PS to 16 this year) and was originally wrote this spring.

It seems it finally gives all the details for this year's PS rules and salaries.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-practice-squad-salary-rules-2022/xfsq4rhj3ro6sdw8p4y6hzia

[Thurman#1]

  On 8/29/2022 at 7:06 AM, Dan Darragh said:

Anyone remember the last time a QB3 threw a pass for the Bills?  I don't.

 

(Please, no Nate Peterman jokes)

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Four QBs (including Peterman) threw passes for the Bills in games in 2018: Allen, Peterman, Derek Anderson and Barkley.

 

Three in 2017: Tyrod, Peterman and Joe Webb.

 

Three in 2016: Tyrod, Manuel and Cardale Jones. That's about as far as I was interested enough to go.

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Thurman#1

[mob16151]

  On 8/29/2022 at 4:51 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Four QBs (including Peterman) threw passes for the Bills in games in 2018: Allen, Peterman, Derek Anderson and Barkley.

 

Three in 2017: Tyrod, Peterman and Joe Webb.

 

Three in 2016: Tyrod, Manuel and Cardale Jones. That's about as far as I was interested enough to go.

 

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I totally forgot about Derek Anderson..............like that he even existed.

[Einstein]

  On 8/29/2022 at 1:48 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Keenum has 78 TD and 48 INT in his career for a 2.2% INT and an 86 QB rating

Barkley 11 TD 22 INT with 6.7% INT and 66 QB rating

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Barkley sample size is so small that all this actually tells you in reality is that Keenum has gotten opportunities that Barkley has not

[Captain Caveman]

  On 8/29/2022 at 3:30 PM, Billy Claude said:

 

Is there a maximum?  Former Bills rb Jonathon Williams got 510K to sign with the Broncos p.s. after he was cut by the Bills.

 

Unless the rules, changed, I think the maximum is whatever the team is willing to pay, though I agree that the Bills won't give Barkley much more than the minimum allowed.

 

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https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-practice-squad-salary-rules-2022/xfsq4rhj3ro6sdw8p4y6hzia

 

$19,900 max salary (weekly x18) this year

[Dan Darragh]

  On 8/29/2022 at 4:51 PM, Thurman#1 said:

Three in 2017: Tyrod, Peterman and Joe Webb.

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