Bills show what a class organization they are

[Mr. WEO]

19 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is 100% false. Only local members of the media have been trying to criticize the Bills' process, and that criticism has gained no national traction. All of the national reporters I've seen are giving us credit for making the right decision quickly, and have specifically mentioned how much better we handled the situation than the Browns handled theirs. Now that Araiza is off the team the story is gone from the national media's radar. We will quietly sign a competent punter and head into the season with the controversy put to bed.

 

 

lol what?

[Kwai San]

On 8/27/2022 at 9:14 PM, BigDingus said:

I mostly agree, but I'd still pump the breaks just a tiny bit, as we can't confirm for sure what they knew before even drafting him, or how much they knew the past couple months.

 

Some reports suggest other teams were aware of certain things about this case pre-draft (hence the best punting prospect in ages being the 3rd off the board), and others say the Bills were made aware of aspects as early as June.

 

I really don't know, but I'd just caution heaping too much praise right away. Still, they do deserve credit for moving on this quickly, and that is something I 100% support.

What you don't know is what we all don't know.  Try not to jump to a conclusion with out ANY facts.  Like EVERYONE else seems to have done.  I get it - Araiza needed to go but all these people plopping a lawyer hat on and knowing "EVERYTHING" really is stupidity at best.  Get the facts folks.......

[UKBillFan]

9 hours ago, BigDingus said:

That may be true at the moment, but the local stuff is being spread nationally. 

 

Already seen 2 articles on Yahoo complaining about them. Here's the most recent one - https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/bills-blast-matt-araiza-situation-092356838.html

Sal must have got so excited writing that article - he couldn’t stop at one, he had to do another.

[DCofNC]

On 8/28/2022 at 8:56 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

You think the plaintiff will withdraw the suit now that he's been cut??  If that was true, why did he give the Bills a heads out the suit a month ago, knowing there was a strong possibility the outcome of that was Araiza getting cut?

 

The suit was likely filed to prompt the SDPD, SDC DA to move the criminal case along after a lot of foot dragging.

People over play their hands all the time.  The idea of suing an NFL player to get to deep pockets is appealing.  If I had to bet, they thought the Bills would throw her a million to be quiet.  Remember, they live in California, their financial intelligence has to be questioned at baseline.

On 8/28/2022 at 11:23 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

It would be discoverable.  Obviously Araiza's (new) lawyer would find out what's on there.  It would an incredibly weak bluff if plaintiff's is lying about its contents.  It's a cornerstone of his case.   

 

A guy isn't going to base a lawsuit on an easily disproven piece of evidence's existence .

 

 

He absolutely could embellish what they have, hoping to get a settlement for an NDA.

[DCofNC]

On 8/28/2022 at 10:56 AM, nosejob said:

 I have to wonder...Why would the attorney file a suit instead of waiting a couple of weeks to know that there was guaranteed money for M.A.?...and perhaps show some kind of culpability of the Bills?

 

If she reported this the day after, why were there no charges?...particularly if there was medical evidence to prove it. If this happened in Oct., was the school not notified? How come nothing happened there?

 

This whole thing you would think have made national headlines pre-draft. I know wrong is wrong, especially if there is a recorded confession, but I still don't get the logic of events.

You have to remember, just because you are an attorney, doesn’t mean you are a good one.  People are dumb and make mistakes that cost them, all the time.  I’d bet he thought he could get a pay off for an NDA out of the Bills, obviously that didn’t work, so they had to carry on.  Now their Civil Suit relies on something that didn’t have legs for a criminal case, this could easily be a failed money grab.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

People over play their hands all the time.  The idea of suing an NFL player to get to deep pockets is appealing.  If I had to bet, they thought the Bills would throw her a million to be quiet.  Remember, they live in California, their financial intelligence has to be questioned at baseline.

He absolutely could embellish what they have, hoping to get a settlement for an NDA.

 

The Bills are not party to the suit.  Their lawyer knew they would never pay her any money.  That makes zero sense and that's not what he was doing by notifying the Bills. 

 

Also, embellishing a bill of particulars in a suit isn't going to prompt a settlement.  No offer would be made before discovery was complete.  Then the defesne would know exactly what the plaintiff had in evidence.

 

Finally, it's a little too late for an NDA, don't you think?  She has disclosed everything already. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bills are not party to the suit.  Their lawyer knew they would never pay her any money.  That makes zero sense and that's not what he was doing by notifying the Bills. 

 

Also, embellishing a bill of particulars in a suit isn't going to prompt a settlement.  No offer would be made before discovery was complete.  Then the defesne would know exactly what the plaintiff had in evidence.

 

Finally, it's a little too late for an NDA, don't you think?  She has disclosed everything already. 

NDAs are reached after disclosing details to authorities all the time.   This would have been swept right under the rug had the Bills said, “look, here’s a million, she needs to sign off on no further disclosures and no further legal actions”.  They could have chosen to protect their brand and cover MA’s ass with his consent.  The lawyer knows full well the NFL is paranoid of this type of thing right now, I guarantee you his motivation was to try to get hush money out of the Bills or NFL in general.   Think about it, this was all “known” for a year and here we are after training camp, just hearing about it.   They could have kept it all under wraps IF they chose to.  
 

Posturing over evidence is also extremely common.  The DA suckers so many people into taking deals based on the potential of the way a jury will see things, the threat of a rape video getting out is more than enough to scare somebody into a settlement.  Of course the lawyer can’t show it to the organization because he would be distributing underage porn, perfect cover to try to push the buttons to get what they want. 
 

We don’t know the real facts, but we know there were not criminal charges pursued, which means the DA said it wasn’t solid evidence to get anything, that ALONE raises a big flag. I could easily see this being a case of the girl wanting to hook up w the star football player and then going on in to get more, where it got tougher than she bargained for.  It could also be as bad as they want you to believe it.  
 

Having seen a classmate’s life be ruined by consensual sex with a 17 year old because her parents chose to press charges when they caught her, I make no assumptions.   She was perfectly fine with it, he was her 8th guy, but 1st time caught, dad lost his mind and pressed charges.  It happens.  Not saying that’s what happened here, but I’m also not saying I don’t think a 17 year old would be into the whole idea either.

Edited August 30, 2022 by DCofNC

[FilthyBeast]

On 8/27/2022 at 6:01 PM, marck said:

Lets take the opportunity to congratulate the Buffalo Bills organization for the way they handled this very difficult issue with Matt Ariaza.

 

Each step was calculated, the response measured and the action swift and deceive.

 

Maybe organizations like the Browns and Dolphins can use this to learn that in player acquisition ethics, integrity and character are far more important then play on the field.

 

I'm not sure I see it that way, if anything it shows there is a trouble in paradise so to speak and validates what a recent former players have said about the Bills culture and front office.

 

Just a horrendous look and proves no real due diligence was done here or he would have never been drafted in the first place.

[teef]

10 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I'm not sure I see it that way, if anything it shows there is a trouble in paradise so to speak and validates what a recent former players have said about the Bills culture and front office.

 

Just a horrendous look and proves no real due diligence was done here or he would have never been drafted in the first place.

such as?  can you explain further?

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

such as?  can you explain further?

 

Beasely, Feliciano, Quinten Spain, etc. have all hinted that the perceived culture in Orchard Park isn't what fans think. Beasely in particular asked to be released and was granted that wish and Feliciano hinted at the dysfunction behind the scenes with the 13 second debacle and how poorly it was handled and addressed afterword.

 

Doesn't mean the Bills organization is a dumpster fire because they are not, but this punt god nonsense was enabled by Beane/McD right up until the day this story broke last week.

 

I'd be lying if deep down I wasn't very concerned about a possible nightmare scenario playing out this year with a very bad start given the opening schedule and things going off the rails quickly....

[teef]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Beasely, Feliciano, Quinten Spain, etc. have all hinted that the perceived culture in Orchard Park isn't what fans think. Beasely in particular asked to be released and was granted that wish and Feliciano hinted at the dysfunction behind the scenes with the 13 second debacle and how poorly it was handled and addressed afterword.

 

Doesn't mean the Bills organization is a dumpster fire because they are not, but this punt god nonsense was enabled by Beane/McD right up until the day this story broke last week.

 

I'd be lying if deep down I wasn't very concerned about a possible nightmare scenario playing out this year with a very bad start given the opening schedule and things going off the rails quickly....

total speculation and fear mongering as usual.  beasely and feliciano?  come on.

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

NDAs are reached after disclosing details to authorities all the time.   This would have been swept right under the rug had the Bills said, “look, here’s a million, she needs to sign off on no further disclosures and no further legal actions”.  They could have chosen to protect their brand and cover MA’s ass with his consent.  The lawyer knows full well the NFL is paranoid of this type of thing right now, I guarantee you his motivation was to try to get hush money out of the Bills or NFL in general.   Think about it, this was all “known” for a year and here we are after training camp, just hearing about it.   They could have kept it all under wraps IF they chose to.  
 

Posturing over evidence is also extremely common.  The DA suckers so many people into taking deals based on the potential of the way a jury will see things, the threat of a rape video getting out is more than enough to scare somebody into a settlement.  Of course the lawyer can’t show it to the organization because he would be distributing underage porn, perfect cover to try to push the buttons to get what they want. 
 

We don’t know the real facts, but we know there were not criminal charges pursued, which means the DA said it wasn’t solid evidence to get anything, that ALONE raises a big flag. I could easily see this being a case of the girl wanting to hook up w the star football player and then going on in to get more, where it got tougher than she bargained for.  It could also be as bad as they want you to believe it.  
 

Having seen a classmate’s life be ruined by consensual sex with a 17 year old because her parents chose to press charges when they caught her, I make no assumptions.   She was perfectly fine with it, he was her 8th guy, but 1st time caught, dad lost his mind and pressed charges.  It happens.  Not saying that’s what happened here, but I’m also not saying I don’t think a 17 year old would be into the whole idea either.

 

oh man, so much wrong in this post!

 

1. The Bills are not named and can't be held liable.  There is absolutely no way they would ever offer money to settle this suit.  Besides being just idiotic even to contemplate, can you imagine what would happen when THAT story inevitably came out?? For a rookie Punter who hasn't played a game?  

 

2. The NFL would never be party to such a goofball scheme. 

 

3. "The DA"  hasn't  "said it wasn’t solid evidence to get anything".  In fact the DA hasn't commented on the merits of the case as it just got the case a few weeks ago from SDPD.  

 

4. your theory is that she enjoyed her time with Araiza so much that she went in to "get more" from his teammates---and it was just a little too much for her?  How did you "easily" come to this possibility, when you say "we don't know the real facts"?

 

yikes

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, teef said:

total speculation and fear mongering as usual.  beasely and feliciano?  come on.

 

I honestly don't care and they are former players for a reason, just hope this season gets off to a decent start or you know the doom and gloom on this board may reach unprecedented levels...

[teef]

41 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I honestly don't care and they are former players for a reason, just hope this season gets off to a decent start or you know the doom and gloom on this board may reach unprecedented levels...

you obviously do care as you tried to spin it into a nightmare situation.  you do realize that a good majority of the doom and gloom on this board is a result of your posting?  

Edited August 30, 2022 by teef

[HOUSE]

22 minutes ago, teef said:

total speculation and fear mongering as usual.  beasely and feliciano?  come on.

 

I can believe players waived would complain 

[teef]

22 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

I can believe players waived would complain 

who would imagine?!

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

oh man, so much wrong in this post!

 

1. The Bills are not named and can't be held liable.  There is absolutely no way they would ever offer money to settle this suit.  Besides being just idiotic even to contemplate, can you imagine what would happen when THAT story inevitably came out?? For a rookie Punter who hasn't played a game?  

 

2. The NFL would never be party to such a goofball scheme. 

 

3. "The DA"  hasn't  "said it wasn’t solid evidence to get anything".  In fact the DA hasn't commented on the merits of the case as it just got the case a few weeks ago from SDPD.  

 

4. your theory is that she enjoyed her time with Araiza so much that she went in to "get more" from his teammates---and it was just a little too much for her?  How did you "easily" come to this possibility, when you say "we don't know the real facts"?

 

yikes

You have a real problem with reading comprehension or definitions, not sure which. 
 

1) as I said, the Bills could have made the payment to keep her quiet, I never said they had any liability. 
 

2) The NFL protects the shield at all costs, they would absolutely go along with anything to keep bad press out of the eye of the media.   They have done so many times in the past and I’m sure they will continue to try to cover themselves. 
 

3) No criminal charges, the DA has seen this. There was evidence collected a year ago, they didn’t take the case. 

 

4) Do you know what the word “possibility” means? 
 

I can also easily guess you aren’t worth my time, so whatever other jibberish you want to post will be for your own amusement, I’m not going to waste my time on you.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, DCofNC said:

NDAs are reached after disclosing details to authorities all the time.   This would have been swept right under the rug had the Bills said, “look, here’s a million, she needs to sign off on no further disclosures and no further legal actions”.  They could have chosen to protect their brand and cover MA’s ass with his consent.  The lawyer knows full well the NFL is paranoid of this type of thing right now, I guarantee you his motivation was to try to get hush money out of the Bills or NFL in general.   Think about it, this was all “known” for a year and here we are after training camp, just hearing about it.   They could have kept it all under wraps IF they chose to.  
 

Posturing over evidence is also extremely common.  The DA suckers so many people into taking deals based on the potential of the way a jury will see things, the threat of a rape video getting out is more than enough to scare somebody into a settlement.  Of course the lawyer can’t show it to the organization because he would be distributing underage porn, perfect cover to try to push the buttons to get what they want. 
 

We don’t know the real facts, but we know there were not criminal charges pursued, which means the DA said it wasn’t solid evidence to get anything, that ALONE raises a big flag. I could easily see this being a case of the girl wanting to hook up w the star football player and then going on in to get more, where it got tougher than she bargained for.  It could also be as bad as they want you to believe it.  
 

Having seen a classmate’s life be ruined by consensual sex with a 17 year old because her parents chose to press charges when they caught her, I make no assumptions.   She was perfectly fine with it, he was her 8th guy, but 1st time caught, dad lost his mind and pressed charges.  It happens.  Not saying that’s what happened here, but I’m also not saying I don’t think a 17 year old would be into the whole idea either.

 

What do you think looks worse:

 

A) Finding out you made a mistake by not being aware of an incident a prospect was possibly involved with in college, learning of your mistake then letting the player go because you want no part of that type of person on your team, or……

 

B) Paying hush money in an attempt to coverup a brutal gang rape.

 

I’d say option B not only looks worse, it IS worse. Only an idiot would even consider that path to “protect their brand”. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

You have a real problem with reading comprehension or definitions, not sure which. 
 

1) as I said, the Bills could have made the payment to keep her quiet, I never said they had any liability. 
 

2) The NFL protects the shield at all costs, they would absolutely go along with anything to keep bad press out of the eye of the media.   They have done so many times in the past and I’m sure they will continue to try to cover themselves. 
 

3) No criminal charges, the DA has seen this. There was evidence collected a year ago, they didn’t take the case. 

 

4) Do you know what the word “possibility” means? 
 

I can also easily guess you aren’t worth my time, so whatever other jibberish you want to post will be for your own amusement, I’m not going to waste my time on you.

because they have no liability and because it would be just dumb, the Bills and the NFL would never pay off a plaintiff.   Just stop.  
 

Also, and again for the guy with superior reading skills, the DA did not get the case a year ago—it was weeks ago.  They haven’t decided on charges.  Repeating your falsehood doesn’t make it true.  
 

At least you have the very little sense to raise the white flag on this one….adios!

[Doc]

8 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Beasely, Feliciano, Quinten Spain, etc. have all hinted that the perceived culture in Orchard Park isn't what fans think. Beasely in particular asked to be released and was granted that wish and Feliciano hinted at the dysfunction behind the scenes with the 13 second debacle and how poorly it was handled and addressed afterword.

 

Doesn't mean the Bills organization is a dumpster fire because they are not, but this punt god nonsense was enabled by Beane/McD right up until the day this story broke last week.

 

I'd be lying if deep down I wasn't very concerned about a possible nightmare scenario playing out this year with a very bad start given the opening schedule and things going off the rails quickly....

 

Disgruntled former players voicing unhappiness after being dumped by the team.  News at 11!

Edited August 30, 2022 by Doc