Fallser Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, Einstein said: Just FYI, I read that in California it is typically only a felony when the perpetrator is 21 or older and the victim is 16 or under. Otherwise it is a misdemeanor. Because Araiza was 20 and the alleged victim was 17, it may be a misdemeanor. Gang rape at any age isn’t a misdemeanor.
DrBob806 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes it’s what happened. It was reported by wawrow. They learned of the pending civil lawsuit on 7/30 Mike Florio is going to attack the Bills & the Bills'fan base now. Look what he did on his 5 month crusade vs Cle😐 1
Chewmylegoff Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 The lawyer is so bad; virtually a parody account.
BillsFanNC Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, SWATeam said: The concept is a legal one. Joe Shmoe standing around the water cooler has no power to subject anyone to any criminal consequences. An even simpler universally understood truth. Not sure what it has to do with anything. 5 minutes ago, SWATeam said: People are discussing these abhorrent claims. Everyone on the planet knows that he will not be subject to any criminal punishment until found guilty in a court of law. There's discussing it and there's picking up the pitchfork and following the mob. Both are going on in this thread. 1 1
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Mango said: More often than not your bolded is not remotely true in cases of sexual assault. I’m not concerned with the statutory case. The concern is that he is listed as the one who gave her a roofied drink, dropped her off in the room, and may have been part of a brutal gang rape. I am even concerned that he had the wherewithal to bring her to the room if he was “”doing the right thing”. He just banged her in the yard. She’s too drunk to give consent. The least of my concerns are the floating possibility of a statutory charge. He also knowingly gave her chlamydia. Get this guy out of my city and off my football team. He has not been found guilty of giving her a drugged drink. He has not been found guilty of taking advantage of an incapacitated 17 year old. He has not been found guilty of leading her to be gang-raped. He has not been found guilty of knowingly giving her chlamydia. As others indicated, it could be he found out after the event he had it, as the phone call took place eleven days later. Just as you seem to be speaking as if the trial has taken place and verdict has been handed down. 1 1
Einstein Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Fallser said: Gang rape at any age isn’t a misdemeanor. That particular conversation was about statutory rape. Please try to follow the conversation if you’re going to input yourself into it. 3 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, KDIGGZ said: Ok so that sounds like a police thing so why is the lawyer posting text messages between him and a 21 yr old kid telling him he's a rapist and to lawyer up and then making fun of his lawyer? He's really doing this girl a disservice if she has a case. He looks like a complete nut job. I've never seen this before where a lawyer goes on a Twitter attack like this. He's really making them look bad He’s definitely unprofessional. But I don’t care about the lawyers and how they look.
K D Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I mean.... if he ruined her life, its only fair? That's a big IF which hasn't been proven. So that's what we do now? We tell the world someone is guilty before going through the legal process so even if they win their life is ruined? I don't think that's how it's supposed to work 1
Motorin' Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, The Red King said: Right now it is an accusation. It sounds like the Bills did their homework, which puts my mind a bit more at ease. The timing doesn't sit right with me. Think about it, what are the odds of this all coming up less then a week after Arazia is named the starter? Almost as if they were waiting to make sure he had a nice chunk of change they could squeeze out of him before proceeding. I'm *not* saying it didn't happen, we obviously don't know. Just, given timing, this feels like it might be a money grab. Don't get me wrong, if this did happen it is horrible and I won't defend an ounce of it. Just...let's see how it plays out. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Didn't Von Miller get his case thrown out earlier? Something about this feels off. Or look at it another way. The girl goes to the hospital and gets a rape kit done seven months ago. And the police don't give her the results. She waits, and waits. And the only thing she can think is that the police are covering for star football players. Then one of them gets drafted into the NFL. Still no results. Then he gets named the starter... Sure, this could all be a "money grab." But Araiza's attorney is saying that at least one of the other players may be charged.
SCBills Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Agreed… I find it funny the fans here when bashing the Browns with the Bills being holier than thou who only employ great people…. Almost impossible in this industry. This literally just became public.. Can we have a day or two to process this or is that too much grace to give before we all join the chorus demanding our team helps destroy Araiza’s life? You act like this has been in the public discourse for months, with dozens of accusers and we gave him an unprecedented contract. I have zero patience for people who want to immediately say bUt WhAt AbOuT ThE bRoWnS … two entirely different situations…. and who knows, you may get your wish and some of us will come around to demanding he’s cut based off what more comes out. But more needs to come out, because if I’m a Bills player and I see my teammate cut because of the mob, I’m finding a new team when my contract is up. Edited August 26, 2022 by SCBills 3
aceman_16 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Do you mean typically in California? In New York, the legal age for consensual sex with an adult is 17. Actually your statement has nuance....in NY the age of consent IS 17 years old (as you stated). In essence, that means anyone who is 16 years of age or younger cannot provide legal consent to sexual activity. When a person has consensual sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 17 years old, they could be charged with statutory rape. However, New York has a partial age exception for consensual sex between someone who is younger than 21 years old and a minor who is 15 or 16 (or at least less than four years older than the victim). There is no partial exception for consensual sex involving minors who are 14 years old or younger. It is very tricky with clear cut age differences. TLDR: In NY a 17 year old having sex with a 21 year old is a nothing burger. Edited August 26, 2022 by aceman_16 1
K D Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’s definitely unprofessional. But I don’t care about the lawyers and how they look. You should because he represents the girl and they are looking pretty bad right now. If you want the truth, this isn't how it should work
ExWNYer Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Hate to sound cynical, but you'd think that the plaintiff would want Araiza to work. Again, it's a civil complaint that seeks money. She can't be made whole with him cut and working @ Wendy's... Now, if she wants to see him in jail, that's a whole 'nother story... But even then people seek monetary damages in the civil trail. I take he doesn't have much unless he kicks? She said on camera that she came forward so that the men she is accusing could not perpetrate this act against any other women in the future. Whether her actions are truly altruistic or she is looking for monetary damages to 'make her whole' is something known only to her. 1
SCBills Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I mean.... if he ruined her life, its only fair? “If” … agreed.
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Red King said: Right now it is an accusation. It sounds like the Bills did their homework, which puts my mind a bit more at ease. The timing doesn't sit right with me. Think about it, what are the odds of this all coming up less then a week after Arazia is named the starter? Almost as if they were waiting to make sure he had a nice chunk of change they could squeeze out of him before proceeding. I'm *not* saying it didn't happen, we obviously don't know. Just, given timing, this feels like it might be a money grab. Don't get me wrong, if this did happen it is horrible and I won't defend an ounce of it. Just...let's see how it plays out. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Didn't Von Miller get his case thrown out earlier? Something about this feels off. Isn't a civil trial a money grab. He's party to the suit with others. He's also the deepest pocket. The bar is low in a civil trial. If he's a little ounce at fault for what the others have done, even against his knowledge... They can squeeze money out of him. That's the game right??
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Is it possible he’s acting this way because of the alleged crimes and the fact they’ve been waiting 10 months for the rape kit results? He was quiet for 10 months. He could’ve made headlines during the draft process. There is an ongoing criminal investigation. I think it is more likely that he is doing this now as opposed to earlier because Araiza is now the entrenched starter for the Bills.
JGMcD2 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mango said: He also knowingly gave her chlamydia. Get this guy out of my city and off my football team. I keep seeing this repeated... I haven't seen anything that says this is true. He allegedly told her to get tested for a STD 2 weeks after their encounter. Not saying this is the case, but he could have totally been unaware of the chlamydia prior to, during and after the encoutner. Then tested for it during that 2-week window and informed her of his positive test over the phone. I haven't seen one ounce of evidence stating he was knowingly chlamydia positive before the encounter. I'll walk back my comments if there is proof, he was knowingly positive, but this just seems to be people jumping to conclusions. 3
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Let’s slow down. This kid has been upstanding through out his career and comes from a very good family. He is innocent until some civil or criminal conviction happens. His attorney stated they have multiple witnesses she was saying she was 18 and was not showing signs of intoxication. This could have been a consensual act with someone posing to be 18 or nothing at all could have happened. If she went to a hospital , a rape work up with dna / rape,kit / specimens should have been obtained with records and she would have been treated with meds for exposure to stds and hiv prophylaxsis and plan b etc. Hard to fathom how this just shows up coincidentally now with no prior red flags or smoke signals. Hospitals would surely have security videos to review as well as possible other video cameras in the area. I find it unlikely this could have been hidden from the Bills as they supposedly are very thorough in pre draft investigations. Using common sense , hard to believe with someone of his stature and fame there were no Prior warnings and no trace of abnormal behaviors until now. Just watching his biography on you tube a couple of weeks ago , he just seems to have always been a very driven , family and goal oriented young man. Could he have made an error or mistake as a young man , sure it’s possible, but he is innocent for now. He is not on the level of Watson with serial offenses as the worst case scenario. His attorney seems very certain of his client so I am willing to hold off any judgement, esp since saying they have witnesses testimony saying she was aware and not intoxicated. If some hard evidence like video or positive dna / etc shows up , the it’s a different story. This is one solitary case , so it should be easy to eventually be proven one way or the other. Also with other co defendants , someone will talk for a deal if it did occur to save themselves. Again , not a solo spree like Watson and three guys being involved should make it easier to find inconsistent facts or stories if this actusllly happened. For now, let’s let the process work out and he doesn’t deserve judgement at this point. If Watson deserves a second chance , certainly a young man like this also deserves to accept responsibility and a chance for redemption if this is proven. The truth will eventually come out , so currently he deserves his presumption of innocence as you would demand if he was your own son or family. If there was very solid , proven documentation , it s hard to believe nothing was filed until now. Remember how the Duke Guys lives were ruined and later vindicated when it looked so obvious they were guilty? His attorney said she was not alone and It seems illogical she was there without friends. So personally I am willing to let it play out as we let the civil process move forward. Stop the hate speech about how “ we don’t tolerate this in Buffalo unlike Cleveland “. Many on here have supported MARSHAWN to this day and he has been proven to commit actions placing lives at risk in more than one situation! This is an initial episode , and it’s still very cloudy and he deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point. People on here still talk about wanting to bring in the sociopath Antonio Brown , so let’s temper the pitch fork mentality for the time being. There are many examples of people using the legal system as their lottery as we were inundated daily with attorney advertisements encouraging suing for almost anything. Time to trust our good Gm Beane and staff to solve this within the appropriate legal channels and all we ever hear on here is how much people “ TRUST IN Beane” regarding the type of players he brings in and culture he has established. I believe Beane / Mcd evaluate character heavily and I trust their process as it’s proven reliable so far. This is the American system of justice and he deserves his side to be heard and then let the burden of proof fall as it may. Amber Heard is just one example of the me too movement being placed above actual reality and being misused , and so I chose to support him until proven otherwise, especially since he has been an upstanding young man with a supportive family his entire life. If he somehow faltered , he is so young he deserves help and a shot at redemption if he accepts responsibility ( unlike Watson who still says he did no wrong and continues to lack personal insight , yet he will be playing I the NFL later this year ! ) Prayers for both the young woman and for our punter that they both move on in life and I hope heal with time, and the legal system resolves this fairly resulting in both learning, surviving , and going on to lead productive lives. “Upstanding through his whole career”
ddaryl Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mango said: More often than not your bolded is not remotely true in cases of sexual assault. I’m not concerned with the statutory case. The concern is that he is listed as the one who gave her a roofied drink, dropped her off in the room, and may have been part of a brutal gang rape. I am even concerned that he had the wherewithal to bring her to the room if he was “”doing the right thing”. He just banged her in the yard. She’s too drunk to give consent. The least of my concerns are the floating possibility of a statutory charge. He also knowingly gave her chlamydia. Get this guy out of my city and off my football team. lots heasay in there... Did he actually have something to do with the Drink, or did she just drag him in because he had sex with her earlier. If he escorted here to a room is he resposible if a bunch of others walked in and took advantage, Did he tell his teammates hey I got Girl in the room waiting for all of you. Did he knowinly give her chlamydia or did he find out after himself and did the responsible thing, because a rapist doesn't make the call to tell the victim ... by the way Get checked Prove it and then we can talk about getting him off the team and out of the city Edited August 26, 2022 by ddaryl
Billsflyer12 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: He has not been found guilty of giving her a drugged drink. He has not been found guilty of taking advantage of an incapacitated 17 year old. He has not been found guilty of leading her to be gang-raped. He has not been found guilty of knowingly giving her chlamydia. As others indicated, it could be he found out after the event he had it, as the phone call took place eleven days later. Just as you seem to be speaking as if the trial has taken place and verdict has been handed down. Thus he is not in jail. Feel like someone needs to say this EVERY page of this thread!! Guilt or innocence is in eyes of LAW, not public opinion or with private employers etc. etc. etc.
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