Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[CorkScrewHill]

The problem of course is there is the possibility that he is innocent see Brian Banks tge HS star who signed with USC she spent years in prison due town allegation that the accuser many years later admitted was totally fabricated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)

 

Or the Duke lacrosse scandal which the media jumped on.. assumed guilt ..and roasted them in the court of public opinion.

 

it is more probable that something bad did happen to the young woman and if so Araiza deserves to pay the price .. and she would deserve every dime he earns. However in this country the assumption of innocence is essential to how our corrupt, twisted, yet best in the world court system works. If we fire everyone before they have their day in court why have a court system at all .. put it up to a Facebook vote and be done with it. 
 

He has not been exonerated and he has not been proven guilty so he should punt. Worst case is he is guilty and he earns some extra money that the alleged victim would then be able to get.

[Dr.Sack]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

One punt that was 17 yards short of the longest puny in history.  AND the longest punt in history was muffed and bounced 30 yards. 😆 

But he was punting towards the tunnel end. 

[StHustle]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Bro...

Yes?? A 17 year old months from being 18 and considered an adult all around this country can’t be considered some kid who doesn’t know what she’s doing. Do you know how many 15 year olds who kill someone get charged as an adult? Now all of a sudden they knew exactly what they were doing cause it’s murder? She was a 17 year old doing illegal actions of a 21+ year old by unlawfully drinking and people want to give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn’t claim she was 18 at a college party as several witnesses stated? Im tired of hearing of this statutory rape BS as if she’s some innocent child! She knew very well what she was up to and how she wanted to present herself that day. I will not sit here and assume she was some innocent child victim that day. She was old enough to know exactly what she was doing, and as a person who was victimized by a lying ass minor, I refuse to believe some 17 year old who ADMITTEDLY showed up to a college party already having drank alcohol was honest about her being underage. Anyone with experience with this sort of thing knows red flags 🚩 when they hear it! So don’t bro me!

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

But he was punting towards the tunnel end. 

In August. 😏 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, StHustle said:

Yes?? A 17 year old months from being 18 and considered an adult all around this country can’t be considered some kid who doesn’t know what she’s doing. Do you know how many 15 year olds who kill someone get charged as an adult? Now all of a sudden they knew exactly what they were doing cause it’s murder? She was a 17 year old doing illegal actions of a 21+ year old by unlawfully drinking and people want to give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn’t claim she was 18 at a college party as several witnesses stated? Im tired of hearing of this statutory rape BS as if she’s some innocent child! She knew very well what she was up to and how she wanted to present herself that day. I will not sit here and assume she was some innocent child victim that day. She was old enough to know exactly what she was doing, and as a person who was victimized by a lying ass minor, I refuse to believe some 17 year old who ADMITTEDLY showed up to a college party already having drank alcohol was honest about her being underage. Anyone with experience with this sort of thing knows red flags 🚩 when they hear it! So don’t bro me!

Yeah I'll just block you instead

 

Disturbing

[BullBuchanan]

11 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

National shame? The Bills are now guilty too, as is their rookie punter who has yet to be criminally charged? 

I'm sorry are you suggesting it's an exaggeration? The entire country is talking about it and he plays for the Bills. It's being referred to as "Bills Punter...". We have an alleged rapist on our team. If that doesn't bring you shame, then it's impossible to do so.

Edited August 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[QCity]

Innocent. Guilty. Doesn't matter this dude is gone.

 

There is no way they are going to put up with the "gang rape a high school girl" questions as the trial drags out throughout this season.

[StHustle]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Yeah I'll just block you instead

 

Disturbing

 
Thanks! I’d rather clueless people not see or interact with my posts. I’m someone with aA LOT of real world experiences and have little patient with folks who clearly don’t know what goes on in the weird world. ***** ain’t always black and white! There is actually MUCH MORE gray area!

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm sorry are you suggesting it's an exaggeration? The entire country is talking about it and he plays for the Bills end it's being referred to as "Bills Punter...". We have an alleged rapist on our team. If that doesn't bring you shame, then it's impossible to do so.

It's true... I am at work and the tow boat pilot and deckhands talking about it and they are from Arkansas! 😆 

 

...You know why? Because their fantasy draft is this weekend.   😆 

Edited August 26, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, QCity said:

Innocent. Guilty. Doesn't matter this dude is gone.

 

There is no way they are going to put up with the "gang rape a high school girl" questions as the trial drags out throughout this season.

Not sure.  I know the Pat Kane rape story didn't derail their cup run. If the team is behind him, they are behind him... No distraction. 

 

Let's see how it plays out before they kick him to curb. 

[StHustle]

22 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Sure you can, we do it every single day. People get fired for FAR less than bringing national shame to an organization.

If Josh Allen was a rookie 6th round punter with one punt under his belt in a pre-season game, then yes absolutely throw him to the curb too.

you sound silly af. This was at a Halloween party in college and he was never arrested or charged with anything nor do we know if that would ever happen. You speak as the accusations came while employed by the company. You tell me an instance where someone graduated from college and got a career going then was fired for pre employment accusations that never lead to any arrest or charges pressed? GTFOH. And how TF does draft position play a role in it ?? Again you sound silly af. 
 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by StHustle

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't think anyone has claimed the Bills knew about this "baggage" when they drafted Araiza.

I read the initial report wrong… but it does sound as if they caught wind of this and still cut Haack anyway?  Not a good look… Just based on the reports of what IS true, kid needs to go. Just my imo.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, StHustle said:

you sound silly af. This was at a Halloween party in college and he was never arrested or charged with anything nor do we know if that would ever happen. You speak as the accusations came while employed by the company. You tell me an instance where someone graduated from college and got a career going then was fired for accusations that never lead to any arrest or charges pressed? GTFOH. And how TF does draft position play a role in it ?? Again you sound silly af. 

And you sound like a predator.

[UKBillFan]

36 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

tldr this thread

 

high school girl lies about her age, gets intoxicated and consents to violent group sex in efforts to extort NFL punter

Or alternatively…

 

Araiza is guilty, he must be guilty because we think he is.

 

The truth is none of us know and need to wait for due to process without acting as judge and jury towards Araiza or pointing the finger at the alleged victim.

[QCity]

16 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Yes?? A 17 year old months from being 18 and considered an adult all around this country can’t be considered some kid who doesn’t know what she’s doing. Do you know how many 15 year olds who kill someone get charged as an adult? Now all of a sudden they knew exactly what they were doing cause it’s murder? She was a 17 year old doing illegal actions of a 21+ year old by unlawfully drinking and people want to give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn’t claim she was 18 at a college party as several witnesses stated? Im tired of hearing of this statutory rape BS as if she’s some innocent child! She knew very well what she was up to and how she wanted to present herself that day. I will not sit here and assume she was some innocent child victim that day. She was old enough to know exactly what she was doing, and as a person who was victimized by a lying ass minor, I refuse to believe some 17 year old who ADMITTEDLY showed up to a college party already having drank alcohol was honest about her being underage. Anyone with experience with this sort of thing knows red flags 🚩 when they hear it! So don’t bro me!

 

Holy crap

 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

I read the initial report wrong… but it does sound as if they caught wind of this and still cut Haack anyway?  Not a good look… Just based on the reports of what IS true, kid needs to go. Just my imo.

 

Yeah, they evidently found out about it 6 weeks ago (per the ever-professional and thorough @john wawrow ) from Araiza's criminal lawyer - then were contacted by the plaintiff's lawyer on July 30 and Aug 1st.

 

So they knew long before they cut Haack.

[StHustle]

7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

And you sound like a predator.

Lol and this proves my exact sentiments. I have NEVER been predatory in my life. Yet you sit here and make your assumptions based on zero evidence…lol. I’m sure if you were my boss I’d be fired cause you worry about what I may have done based on nothing. So far all the evidence points to him being a typical college athlete! I’ve been around this stuff and no very well how females get in these situations. That’s why I’m not quick to judge! If facts come out that what she is saying is indeed true then throw him under the jail! But I would never sit back and based on what’s known so far give her the benefit of the doubt over him. Those of you doing that clearly don’t understand the culture of popular athletes! 
 

THERE IS A REASON ALMOST A YEAR HAS GONE BY AND HE HASNT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING!

 

This isn’t some case where he was arrested and charges dropped cause she stopped cooperating. So many idiots in this thread it’s sickening!

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by StHustle

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

Or alternatively…

 

Araiza is guilty, he must be guilty because we think he is.

 

The truth is none of us know and need to wait for due to process without acting as judge and jury towards Araiza or pointing the finger at the alleged victim.

LOL no. I'm not a judge or jury and neither are you. So we really don't need to do anything.

 

I'm perfectly fine judging Araiza on the facts as they lie. If more evidence comes out, maybe I'll change my mind.

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Lol and this proves my exact sentiments. I have NEVER been predatory in my life. Yet you sit here and make your assumptions based on zero evidence…lol. I’m sure if you were my boss I’d be fired cause you worry about what I may have done based on nothing. So far all the evidence points to him being a typical college athlete! I’ve been around this stuff and no very well how females get in these situations. That’s why I’m not quick to judge! If facts come out that what she is saying is indeed true then throw him under the jail! But I would never sit back and based on what’s known so far give her the benefit of the doubt over him. Those of you doing that clearly don’t understand the culture of popular athletes! 

 

I'll just drop this here:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tracyclayton/stop-calling-women-females#.jhGxxDgjnq

 

and then

[CorkScrewHill]

27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

No one said he was. Alpha however was indicating that anything besides a conviction of a crime was insufficient grounds for termination. I'm making the point that a court doesn't determine who is guilty or innocent - just what can be proven at that time and place.

This is an interesting point. The courts are not perfect arbiters of truth, but you want to skip from accusations to punishment with no messy thing called due process. Due process is what allows the court system to function and to eliminate that just so you don't feel shame as a fan of the club is contrary to what our fathers and grandfathers fought for in stopping nazism where an accusation could lead to a firing squad. Let the process work and as stated above if he is a slime bag and did this, the victim will have even more money to go after. If he is innocent we will be able to be proud that we let the process work.