Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Cutting a player ruins their life? How? If he's innocent he'll find another team at some point. We're about to cut 30 players, so I sure hope not.

I'm very comfortable cutting a player who's credibly accused of sexually assaulting a minor.

Are you really that naive that you thought he meant that only him getting cut is gonna ruin his life? He meant ruin his life in general. An allegation like this can cause a bunch of problems in his life in multiple ways. Not just possibly ruining his sports career

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, iccrewman112 said:

“ruining a persons life” are you serious. You get cut from an NFL team and your life is ruined? He can be cut, all this can sort itself out and he can sign with any team that offers him, and no one’s life is ruined.

 

good thing haack didn’t win the punting job or we would have had to cut Ariaza and his “life would be ruining” by your stance.

You know what can actually ruin someone's life? Getting gang raped.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Lol why do you care if I think he's guilty? I don't care if you think he's innocent.

First, no one is saying he’s innocent.  Waiting until the facts are known is not saying someone is innocent.  
 

But we live in a country where our rights are we are innocent until proven guilty.  
 

But people on the internet would rather ruin a persons life at a moments notice before they even know the facts.  It’s honestly not only ignorant but pathetic that people would invest so much time into ruining someone before they even know if they deserve it.  
 

 

[BillsfaninSB]

8 minutes ago, Haze_21 said:

In the interview with arazia's attorney at 5:30 he says "I can't speak for the other two because I think at least one of them are in a very different situation than mr arazia"

 

Is that suggesting she was raped later in the night by someone other than arazia after having consensual sex with him? I really want to know what beane knows. 

 

The LA times article about the law suit seems to imply Arazia’s intercourse was consensual but he subsequently took her to a bedroom and threw her face first down on the bed.   He may not have raped her at either time but at a minimum he may have been complicit in the rape by his teammates.   Again, just my interpretation of the article. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Are you really that naive that you thought he meant that only him getting cut is gonna ruin his life? He meant ruin his life in general. An allegation like this can cause a bunch of problems in his life in multiple ways. Not just possibly ruining his sports career

Well then maybe he shouldn't have ***** a kid? The bills aren't able to ruin his life by any action they take. He did that all on his own.

[Rc2catch]

14 minutes ago, Haze_21 said:

I really want to know what beane knows. 

We never will. Regardless of how this goes I don’t think it’s something he will ever give the real details on. He will just give the “we did our homework and felt comfortable” or the other version “once we discovered the information we let him go” 

But he’s never going to publicly tell us the behind the scenes for this one. 

[iccrewman112]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But people on the internet would rather ruin a persons life at a moments notice before they even know the facts.  It’s honestly not only ignorant but pathetic that people would invest so much time into ruining someone before they even know if they deserve it.  
 

 

Do you believe cutting Matt Ariaza because the bills organization doesn’t want to deal with this regardless of the outcome ruins Matt Ariaza’s life? 

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well then maybe he shouldn't have ***** a kid? The bills aren't able to ruin his life by any action they take. He did that all on his own.

It was said by many at the party that she had told him that she was 18. It's not on him to ask her for her driver's license to prove otherwise. It's on her to be honest about her age. If she really said she was 17 and he still went along with it, then he is 100% at fault

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, iccrewman112 said:

Do you believe cutting Matt Ariaza because the bills organization doesn’t want to deal with this regardless of the outcome ruins Matt Ariaza’s life? 

No I do not.  If he is shown to be innocent then he doesn’t deserve to lose his job because someone else saw an opportunity.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, iccrewman112 said:

Do you believe cutting Matt Ariaza because the bills organization doesn’t want to deal with this regardless of the outcome ruins Matt Ariaza’s life? 

If they believe him, then they should deal with it.  If they don't, then cut him.

 

This has nothing to do with the Bills being inconvenienced. Life is an inconvenience.  

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

First, no one is saying he’s innocent.  Waiting until the facts are known is not saying someone is innocent.  
 

But we live in a country where our rights are we are innocent until proven guilty.  
 

But people on the internet would rather ruin a persons life at a moments notice before they even know the facts.  It’s honestly not only ignorant but pathetic that people would invest so much time into ruining someone before they even know if they deserve it.  
 

 

Maybe don't gang rape high school girls then

[iccrewman112]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

 

This has nothing to do with the Bills being inconvenienced. Life is an inconvenience.  

Antonio Brown was an inconvenience.

 

NFL teams get rid of inconveniences all the time. We hear the phrase “can’t have a distraction for the team” 

 

[Dr.Sack]

It is more likely Bills fans get a clear answer on “was Bass instructed to execute a squib kick?” then we are to know when the team knew of this accusation. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Maybe don't gang rape high school girls then

You're rushing to judgement.

 

He's accused of that.  Not saying she's lying... But what if he's a patsy and she's getting him confused with other's.  There's other's involved here. 

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

“ruining a persons life” are you serious? That is a laughable statement. You get cut from an NFL team and your life is ruined? He can be cut, all this can sort itself out and he can sign with any team that offers him, and no one’s life is ruined.

 

good thing haack didn’t win the punting job or we would have had to cut Ariaza and his “life would be ruining” by your stance.

What if he’s proven innocent?  Condemning a man now to guilt of a crime he did not commit is ruining his life.  You can’t be serious with this being about just getting cut.  You know how hard it’s going to be for him to shake this even if proven innocent?

 

Seriously, how short sighted does one have to be to think it’s just about whether he gets cut or not?

 

 

[GoBills808]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

You're rushing to judgement.

 

He's accused of that.  Not saying she's lying... But what if he's a patsy and she's getting him confused with other's.  There's other's involved here. 

Like I said...Deshaun Watson has zero convictions. I'm still ok judging him.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, iccrewman112 said:

Antonio Brown was an inconvenience.

 

NFL teams get rid of inconveniences all the time. We hear the phrase “can’t have a distraction for the team” 

 

Fair enough....But Brown got a bunch of chances.  Bills obviously knew this week's ago and still cut Haack.  They know more than we know.

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No I do not.  If he is shown to be innocent then he doesn’t deserve to lose his job because someone else saw an opportunity.

It's highly unlikely that it will ever be possible to prove he is innocent. The best we'll get is a lack of evidence to convict. You hiring OJ at your place of work? After all, he wasn't convicted either.

Edited August 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Chicken Boo]

27 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

As Bills fan we have to let it play out and all the facts come in. I know, I know... Sounds sleazy, did Blackhawks give up on Pat Kane, Steelers on Ben Roethlisberger? Etc... 

 

Roethlisberger is fortunate that his cases happened in 2010 and not 2016 or later.  

 

The climate is much different now, post-Brock Turner.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Like I said...Deshaun Watson has zero convictions. I'm still ok judging him.

But it was only Deshaun w/those victims.  Bit muddied w/Araiza... I am all for condemning after we see how legal system plays out. I will still condem him for that night too...