Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Dr.Sack]

Wow. I can’t believe that special teams are letting down the Bills yet again. Horrible situation. As a father who just dropped off my daughter at college today for her freshman year, this is my worst nightmare. Thankfully she is against drinking / drugs, which reduces likelihood of becoming a victim of sexual predators. That said, I do believe Araiza has a right to defend himself legally. 

[BillsShredder83]

19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It might not be all he said she said.  To my understanding the alleged vic submitted to a rape kit.  Without getting too deep in the weeds, that exam can establish forcible penetration inconsistent with consensual intercourse.  Medical evidence of rape.  Then it’s a question of who did it.  That’s where DNA helps.  Got tearing plus DNA match?  Also then have a perp.  Only he said she said in that scenario would be him saying they were consensual partners and physical injury caused by a different partner. 

My question on this (i seriously dont know). If mat had willing participant sex with this woman. then she laid down, safe to his knowledge, and left...... 30mins later shes forcibly gang raped. couldnt matts dna end up in a tear still? assuming these are very seperate incidents, dna evidence might not be helpful here.

 

really hoping mat just got willing oral, and has no dna down there.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

It was reported that it was an off campus college party

 

I'm basing it on what Araiza's lawyer said in an interview.

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

respectfully, we do know the girl is a victim based on her injuries and actions the following day. Unless she went to very extraordinary lengths to set up some kind of con, something very bad happened to her. So yes, she is a victim in my mind right now.

 

But you don’t know if Araiza is a victim or a guilty party.  So yeah, respectfully disagree, no one here is qualified to decide who the victims are.  

For example:  You realize it’s entirely possible she is both a victim and also falsely accusing Matt of being a party to it.  What if she willingly had a sexual encounter of sorts with Matt earlier in the night but was later raped by the other accused people?  Then that makes Matt a victim of extortion and her guilty of fraud, even while she may also be a victim of an assault from the other accused parties.
 

Point is, nobody knows enough to decide now who is a victim or not…who is guilty of what.  We don’t know a fraction of what even the Bills know, let alone the authorities currently investigating.  
 

So we need to pause all the rush to judgements and assumptions until we know more of the facts and evidence of what happened and by who.  

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Whether innocent or guilty, I can’t believe his attorney didn’t settle this case when the alleged victim was willing to.

 

Have these attorneys learned nothing from the handling of the Watson case? Florio did an amazing breakdown where he showed how much Watson would have saved (millions) if he accepted the first settlement offer.

From what I understand, his attorney now speaking on his case is a criminal defense attorney. He hasn’t even retained a civil litigator yet (which is an astonishing lack of foresight.)

 

So I agree, the fact that he and his representation c**ked this up is bad, but not surprising.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 minutes ago, nkreed said:

The Civil one yes, not the criminal one. 

Has the criminal one even been released to the public yet?

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But you don’t know if Araiza is a victim or a guilty party.  So yeah, respectfully disagree, no one here is qualified to decide who the victims are.  

For example:  You realize it’s entirely possible she is both a victim and also falsely accusing Matt of being a party to it.  What if she willingly had a sexual encounter of sorts with Matt earlier in the night but was later raped by the other accused people?  Then that makes Matt a victim of extortion and her guilty of fraud, even while she may also be a victim of an assault from the other accused parties.
 

Point is, nobody knows enough to decide now who is a victim or not…who is guilty of what.  We don’t know a fraction of what even the Bills know, let alone the authorities currently investigating.  
 

So we need to pause all the rush to judgements and assumptions until we know more of the facts and evidence of what happened and by who.  

exactly that’s why I passed no judgment or offered any opinion on Matt. I simply don’t know yet

[GoBills808]

All American senior hanging out w a bunch of freshman? GUILTY

[nkreed]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

We won't be awaiting  DA's determination for that.

Obviously. We are awaiting the rape by intoxication charge from the DA... As you implied the allegation was made, to which I responded the allegation was made in a civil suit not a criminal suit

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Has the criminal one even been released to the public yet?

there are no criminal charges yet

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

My question on this (i seriously dont know). If mat had willing participant sex with this woman. then she laid down, safe to his knowledge, and left...... 30mins later shes forcibly gang raped. couldnt matts dna end up in a tear still? assuming these are very seperate incidents, dna evidence might not be helpful here.

 

really hoping mat just got willing oral, and has no dna down there.

 

 

dude, wtf: hope he got willing oral??...this is getting creepy.  he's not your "Mat", he's a rookie Punter on a football team.

 

 

[SectionC3]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

My question on this (i seriously dont know). If mat had willing participant sex with this woman. then she laid down, safe to his knowledge, and left...... 30mins later shes forcibly gang raped. couldnt matts dna end up in a tear still? assuming these are very seperate incidents, dna evidence might not be helpful here.

 

really hoping mat just got willing oral, and has no dna down there.

DNA might not be in a tear.  Probably kind of rare to find it in such a place actually.  
 

But your scenario is one in which DNA deposit would not necessarily equate to rape.  In that scenario we’d have a he said/she said, with potential input from non-party witnesses who, for example, might say that araiza wasn’t present inside the house in which a violent rape allegedly occurred. 
 

(Good luck selling a jury on that one, BTW.)

[nkreed]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Has the criminal one even been released to the public yet?

No. It's in the DAs hands to propose charges.

[SCBills]

33 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I haven't read through all this....have been reading about this though.

 

I do understand the guy is a talented punter....he's a PUNTER...on a team that I believe...punted the least in the NFL (right?) .....we're talking abou the punter.  you can get another punter.

 

I am sure it's been suggested in this way...so sorry to repeat that if it has.  but..yeah...he's the punter.  Go get anohter one.

 I don’t think anyone here really cares about the talent level.  As you state, he’s a punter.. we can just get a different one.

 

Its basically a debate, hours after this dropped, between three factions of fans:

 

1) He did it. He’s a monster.  Cut him and fire the legal department. 
 

2) He’s a punter.  Just cut him. This sucks. 
 

3) Don’t cut him until you do your due diligence.  This sounds pretty murky. Players may side-eye the org for cutting bait so quickly. 

[JoPoy88]

7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

My question on this (i seriously dont know). If mat had willing participant sex with this woman. then she laid down, safe to his knowledge, and left...... 30mins later shes forcibly gang raped. couldnt matts dna end up in a tear still? assuming these are very seperate incidents, dna evidence might not be helpful here.

 

really hoping mat just got willing oral, and has no dna down there.

EWWWWW man. what the hell

[Dr.Sack]

Does this explain why two punters went before Araiza? Am I the only one who found that peculiar? 

[Beck Water]

37 minutes ago, phypon said:

Do you understand that you don't how she got those injuries until the facts come out?  That you are blaming other people for something NONE of us have all the of the facts for?  That until all of the facts come out NONE of us are condoning what could have happened.  That if the facts PROVE her story that all of us on here would be first in line to see this guy persecuted to the fullest extent.

 

Sorry, Bud but when you refer to allegations of gang rape that left a woman with a ring of bruises around her neck, bruises on her legs, and piercings torn from her ears, nose, and navel as "having sex with other men" you are, in fact, writing as though you have chosen a side and condone what happened.  It wasn't rape!  It was sex with several men!

 

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but you've chosen a side with your words. 

 

Otherwise you would write "the woman alleges she was raped by several men" or something of that sort.

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

the giving her spiked drink and dumping her on the bed in the room with the guys seems like "participating"

 

13 minutes ago, Mango said:

She is claiming to be roofied. And that happened after drinking the beer Araiza gave her.

 

The lawsuit says the girl "thinks" she "might" have been given a spiked drink. That is the most tenuous claim made in the lawsuit. Women unknowingly ingesting date rape drugs is much less common than the public perception. Much more common is men or women drinking more alcohol than they realize, or drinking on an empty stomach, and blacking out as a result. I'm inclined to believe her when she says non-consensual sexual activity occurred in that bedroom, but I would be very surprised if a date rape drug was involved.

[chongli]

15 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Humans hooking up very much have requirements. 
 

If I were to go to a college party should I just assume everyone is 18+ and try to hook up with some drunk girls and just assume they are old enough.  
 

You can’t Assume without being an Ass first. 
 

Out of all the football players in the NFL, how many are currently going through this. 
 

Matt Araiza and Matt Araiza alone put himself in a bad spot. 

 

Was he supposed to ask for ID, breath test her, and then make her sign a consent statement? Sorry, if she lied abot her age and did not appear to be drunk, then I see no wrong. I don't care if she is a minor. At 17, she has responsibility too.

Edited August 26, 2022 by chongli

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Dr.Sack said:

Does this explain why two punters went before Araiza? Am I the only one who found that peculiar? 

that’s been asked all over the place today - it does and it doesn’t. Araiza was a phenom and a star in college, sure. But he was the beneficiary of a lot of hype by college reporters at The Ringer and other places for his huge leg. NFL scouts may have had differing grades on the him and the other guys taken. The Bills only learned about this July 30, well after the draft. Did other teams know sooner, pre-draft and affect their grades? Possibly.