4merper4mer Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How does such a defense get entered if he doesn't even claim it? She was clearly underage. He can claim he reasonably thought she was of age without stating so in court? Simon posted how it is done in Cali. You read it and commented on it and have been ignoring that for two pages now. WTF? 2
BeastMaster Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Mr. WEO said: That she told Araiza this? If they have witnesses saying she was claiming it, then it's reasonable to assume she told everyone, including him. Maybe he overheard her say it? Are you trying to claim she told different people different stories? If you're going around saying your 18, then I doubt you are saying something different to others.
Doc Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, nkreed said: If you have a background in law, then you know that the DAs decision isn't made in a vacuum. If the DA can find plausible witnesses to the victim misrepresenting her age, combined with California case law, the DA will not bring that charge to court, understanding it's on them to prove she didn't. Ariza doesn't need to do a damn thing in that scenario. It's not hard to figure out. Unless you don't want it to be true. It's funny who he "provides a defense" for. Actually, no it isn't. Edited August 26, 2022 by Doc 1
JoPoy88 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Can it be asserted by a defendant with no context or circumstances being stated by him? so based on the clip of the statute someone posted up thread, mistake of age is a standard not an affirmative defense in CA, meaning he has no burden of proof to support it, the burden still remains on the prosecution. So he doesn’t have to provide any evidence in support of it. Edited August 26, 2022 by JoPoy88 1 1
Doc Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, BeastMaster said: If they have witnesses saying she was claiming it, then it's reasonable to assume she told everyone, including him. Maybe he overheard her say it? Are you trying to claim she told different people different stories? If you're going around saying your 18, then I doubt you are saying something different to others. Come on! DIdn't you go to college keggers and tell everyone there you were 17 and/or a HS'er and to give you beer? 2
Buffalo03 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: That's usually when most people abandon their morals, adulthood. I don't know about that, I know a lot of people that are adults that live or die by morals lol. One of my best friends thinks it's morally wrong to drink a few beers at a kid's birthday party. When both my parents and his parents had beer at our birthday parties growing up and we turned out fine, now all of a sudden it's gonna send people to hell to drink beer at a kid's birthday party lol Edited August 26, 2022 by Buffalo03
Believer Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Kim Pegula who stands for women equality and rights did not a say word about Deshaun Watson 24 civil cases of sexual assault. That is very telling. Interesting observation… Still expect this to end with Araiza cut from the team… unless their is ironclad evidence of a shakedown… As Buffalo learns the details of the allegation… (and they appear despicable in the LA Times article)… neither the Bills nor the City will want to be associated with the public relations fallout… 1 2 1
BeastMaster Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: Come on! DIdn't you go to college keggers and tell everyone there you were 17 and/or a HS'er and to give you beer? No, but Mr WEO clearly did
Mango Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: Consent can be revoked at any time. I find it really disturbing that @Gene1973 reacted to this with a vomit emoji. Just so incredibly gross. Ugh. How terrible. How can anybody think it’s gross that somebody can withdraw consent to sex at any moment. Jesus Christ. 1
phypon Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Punter has sex with a girl that lied about her age while going to a party for college kids. Woman then has sex with other men the same night after him. Woman consciously performs oral on said punter, then says she was unconscious. Punter is a criminal because said woman lied and agreed to sex. Punter gets fired... 1
Alphadawg7 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 46 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: again-she, being a 17 year old minor, is not legally capable of consenting to sex Oh stop. You know what I meant.
Doc Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: Pretty sure it doesn't say that. It does say that whatever powers not delegated to the federal government or not prohibited by it fall to the states. That means the federal government can pass a law that supersedes all the states laws. Thus a federal minimum wage exisits even though states can have a higher one. It is why Roe v Wade being overturned is so critical. It returned abortion law to the states because there is no federal law protecting abortion rights for women. And a federal minimum age for drinking. It's funny that someone matures (sexually) by merely crossing over state lines. 1
JoPoy88 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, phypon said: Punter has sex with a girl that lied about her age while going to a party for college kids. Woman then has sex with other men the same night after him. Woman consciously performs oral on said punter, then says she was unconscious. Punter is a criminal because said woman lied and agreed to sex. Punter gets fired... this is all one side’s story - conjecture at this point. It also doesn’t explain her injuries.
dgrochester55 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 I think of the story on Brian Banks from a few years back and want to think innocent before proven guilty, but this looks pretty bad. Seems like the best case scenario may be consensual sex with an underage girl, still a crime. Buffalo may be best off moving on sooner rather than later.
SectionC3 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 38 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: That definitely plays into his lawyers investigators that have witnesses that have her saying she was telling people she was 18 The only way this thing has legs is if his DNA was found Not true. DNA isn’t necessary.
Doc Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, phypon said: Punter has sex with a girl that lied about her age while going to a party for college kids. Woman then has sex with other men the same night after him. Woman consciously performs oral on said punter, then says she was unconscious. Punter is a criminal because said woman lied and agreed to sex. Punter gets fired... Hey, we don't know about the violent rape part. That may have actually happened and no matter what she said or how drunk she was, that shouldn't have happened. 2 2
Rc2catch Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The aspects of the alleged conversation described in the LA Times article come entirely from what the young women has said. The calls themselves have not been released or vetted. The big question I have in all of this is if the Bills only knew about this a month ago, does that mean Ariaza withheld info during the pre-draft interview process? I keep seeing everyone using the phone stuff as fact. I figured I missed where that info came from. Thank you for clearing it up. 1
BillsShredder83 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Innocent until proven guilty indeed. But should we trust the innocence of a man who knowingly gave a woman an STD? we dont know that. its just as fair to say - hes a stand up guy, had unprotected in heat of moment... afterwards realized that wasnt smart and got tested afterwards, due to the encounter. she could have gave it to him just as easily, and he was being a mature sexual partner. ***IM NOT SAYING THAT DIIIIIID HAPPEN**** but that is how a lot of people find out they have things. id argue someone who rarely has these encounters is the type to be responsible and check.... where as the bar crowd, after a week says "wow no sores, dodged a bullet" and do it again. culturally thats how this generation works 2
BeastMaster Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, phypon said: Punter has sex with a girl that lied about her age while going to a party for college kids. Woman then has sex with other men the same night after him. Woman consciously performs oral on said punter, then says she was unconscious. Punter is a criminal because said woman lied and agreed to sex. Punter gets fired... Pretty much. Our society now will demand this guy's head without any due process or fact gathering 1 1 1
SectionC3 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, dgrochester55 said: I think of the story on Brian Banks from a few years back and want to think innocent before proven guilty, but this looks pretty bad. Seems like the best case scenario may be consensual sex with an underage girl, still a crime. Buffalo may be best off moving on sooner rather than later. I heard second hand (from someone in Carolina) that McD is out of his mind angry about this. Take it for what it’s worth. 1
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