Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mattymafia said: is there a link? https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/teen-accusing-san-diego-state-football-players-of-rape-speaks/509-02de68ba-2cf8-43d5-b41e-dae06a48be2f
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You’re the 2nd person to comment about this general statement. I was responding to a statement about how Araiza brought her to his friends for their turn. It’s common behavior. It’s sickening and gets covered up everyday. OK, the way you originally wrote it, it wasn't clear that you felt it was sickening.
phypon Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 If true, he should be punished to fullest extent. If untrue, she should be punished to the same fullest extent. Hope all of the facts come out for both parties and punishment is leveled as such.
BeastMaster Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 The timing is perfect for the accuser His lawyer says they have witnesses (including a friend of the accuser) saying it didn't happen. I have major doubts about this being true, but the media storm and publicity may be too much for the Bills to keep him on the team until it gets sorted out. 2
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Not to trouble the discourse with injection of facts, but here is the actual lawsuit, courtesy of the San Diego Times https://timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/player-suit.pdf It's not pretty reading. Sounds like Araiza is toast under Cali statutory rape law. Matt Araiza's epitaph with the Bills: "From Punt God to Hold God to Oh God" The issue with rape, and why it’s so difficult to press criminal charges, is a lot of it is down to the alleged victim claiming one thing and the defendant saying something else. This is the allegation - Araiza’s statement will say something very different. Then there will probably be differing witness statements about her state of inebriation too, some saying she was in no state to give consent and others saying she was fully aware and capable of making decisions.
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Beast said: The only thing that bothers me about this girl is her doing television interviews regarding this incident. I can't imagine anyone advising her thinking that is a good idea regardless of her face being blurred. why does this bother you? 1
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Or could be that he was aware that she had sex with numerous people (in his mind, either with consent or aware than she was raped) so advised her to be checked, rather than meaning he had a STD himself. In the lawsuit, it alleges that Araiza told her he tested positive for chlamydia:
Freddie's Dead Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Just like FSU did with Rapeis Winston. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Matt Arapeza. ***** me. How the hell did the Bills not do their due diligence on this guy? 1
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, 716er said: I’d love to agree with this but I don’t understand how the most hyped punter I can recall prior to the draft (with stats to back that up) was not the first punter off the board. He also lasted until round 6. There is plenty of history of ***** kickers and punters drafted in the top 3 rounds. Just doesn’t add up. I think teams knew. It’s possible that other teams knew, but I don’t think the Bills did. Of course, that doesn’t let them off the hook. At the same time, there were plenty of analysts who didn’t have him as the #1 punter
Demongyz Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Innocent until proven guilty I suppose. I mean, she is suing him, I guess because nobody would bring charges? whatever. 1
Freddie's Dead Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, JohnNord said: More like the wages-garnished god. He is facing civil…not criminal charges Yet.
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If there is anything I am sure of, it’s that the Bills just found out about this within the last day or 2. Beane and McD aren’t going to burn down what they’ve built on a freaking punter. And they literally just had him in front if the media next to Josh 2 days ago. McD was just joking around about him this week on pardon my take. That’s completely opposite of everything else we’ve seen from them for 6 years if they knew anything about this. whether they or someone else who reports to them ***** up and they SHOULD have known at some point earlier is another story. how can they credibly claim both that they just found out a day or two ago AND completed a thorough investigation of the incident? Edited August 26, 2022 by Mr. WEO 1 1
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I didn’t know that, but it really does not add up. At all. That they are putting him in front of the media etc. so maybe they didn’t know Then due diligence has been shocking. The Bills press release stated a full investigation has taken place, though goodness knows what that means. You’d think the phrasing would be very different had then been caught unawares.
Dr. K Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Lots of circumstantial details in this. If they have those phone calls, he's a dead man. The Bills can't just ignore this. 1
Big Blitz Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rubes said: I'll amend my statement about when they knew obviously once we find this out - my initial statement is they had to know. But judging by John's comment here I get the sense somehow they didn't. Which just blows my mind if they haven't known for at least a month - when the initial report came out.
wppete Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: McBeane really F’d up. Shame on them. 1 1 1 1
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: In the lawsuit, it alleges that Araiza told her he tested positive for chlamydia: Yeuch. And that’s very much not a case of two different versions of events as that was a recorded call. Would happily see him cut for that alone.
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: That’s very interesting and surprising to me. They must have WAY more info than we do. I’m super wrong.
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, UKBillFan said: The issue with rape, and why it’s so difficult to press criminal charges, is a lot of it is down to the alleged victim claiming one thing and the defendant saying something else. This is the allegation - Araiza’s statement will say something very different. Then there will probably be differing witness statements about her state of inebriation too, some saying she was in no state to give consent and others saying she was fully aware and capable of making decisions. So initially this was also my take. But at the time, I was not aware of California's statutory rape law, which sets the age of consent at 18. So it doesn't matter if she consented or not or was too inebriated to give consent or not 1
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