Augie Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 Nobody ever asked me if I was 18 at a party. Nobody. Nobody ever asked anybody if they were 18 at a party that I ever saw. And I don’t remember anyone volunteering that they were 18. I’m not watching the video (wherever it may be), but that all seems quite odd from my experience.
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Nobody ever asked me if I was 18 at a party. Nobody. Nobody ever asked anybody if they were 18 at a party that I ever saw. And I don’t remember anyone volunteering that they were 18. I’m not watching the video (wherever it may be), but that all seems quite odd from my experience. Unfortunately In this day and age it might be a more prevalent question Back in the day , Especially at a college party… Nobody would think that there’s high school minors there But it’s a lot more prevalent now… 16-17 year-olds going to full-blown college parties acting as adults
Augie Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Unfortunately In this day and age it might be a more prevalent question Back in the day , Especially at a college party… Nobody would think that there’s high school minors there But it’s a lot more prevalent now… 16-17 year-olds going to full-blown college parties acting as adults So maybe today you should ask, if you have “plans”. But who volunteers that? I’m not going down this rabbit hole, but that is still strange.
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Augie said: So maybe today you should ask, if you have “plans”. But who volunteers that? I’m not going down this rabbit hole, but that is still strange. I think this entire situation is terrible and somewhat strange There seems to be a lot going on at play that we don’t fully understand
NoSaint Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 31 minutes ago, Augie said: So maybe today you should ask, if you have “plans”. But who volunteers that? I’m not going down this rabbit hole, but that is still strange. so in the video in question they asked her what her body count was and she answered “like 20 even though I’m only 18” (roughly, without going back to check the quote) im only 10-15 years removed from the setting and will say the body count stuff was not big in my time… but someone saying trying to show off that they could clear some dumb threshold despite only being 18 wouldn’t have stood out as super strange. 41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Unfortunately In this day and age it might be a more prevalent question Back in the day , Especially at a college party… Nobody would think that there’s high school minors there But it’s a lot more prevalent now… 16-17 year-olds going to full-blown college parties acting as adults ive got news: it happened then too.
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, NoSaint said: so in the video in question they asked her what her body count was and she answered “like 20 even though I’m only 18” (roughly, without going back to check the quote) im only 10-15 years removed from the setting and will say the body count stuff was not big in my time… but someone saying trying to show off that they could clear some dumb threshold despite only being 18 wouldn’t have stood out as super strange. ive got news: it happened then too. No social media Broadway Joe would’ve been cancelled in 1968 if there was twitter too … same with Jim Kelly in 1985 Now if MA is guilty of rape he should face the highest penalty… But outside of that… What was considered acceptable in 1970 is different than today Edited September 5, 2022 by Buffalo716
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Back in the day , Especially at a college party… Nobody would think that there’s high school minors there Huh? 😆 Drinking age was 18. 1
Doc Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BananaB said: It proves she was was in the house socializing rather then being lead to a bedroom where she was raped. 2 hours ago, BananaB said: It was last week since I read the civil suit, but I remember it saying she entered the party in the back yard. Flirted with Matt and he forced intercourse on the side of the house. He then lead her in the house to a bedroom where she was gang raped…. Her socializing inside the party on camera without Matt kind of raises some major questions in her story. 2 hours ago, phypon said: Not to mention that in the Dateline interview she said that she never told MA she was 18. She also said that she didn't say "no" to him and that it didn't matter because she was only 17 so even if she said yes, since she was 17, it wasn't consensual. That was the gist I got from her interview. All the while, she is on camera telling everyone that she was 18. If she's claiming she had sex with him soon after getting to the party and then right after that encounter he dragged her into the house to be raped, the video proves otherwise since she didn't look like a rape victim in it, either in the way she was acting or bruises and her piercings being pulled out. 1 hour ago, Augie said: Nobody ever asked me if I was 18 at a party. Nobody. Nobody ever asked anybody if they were 18 at a party that I ever saw. And I don’t remember anyone volunteering that they were 18. I’m not watching the video (wherever it may be), but that all seems quite odd from my experience. Yeah, no one usually asks. And no one ever admits that they're under-aged. But while it might be odd, she's right there on video saying it. There's no getting around it. Edited September 5, 2022 by Doc
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 Anybody under 21 (most jurisdictions) is a minor when it comes to drinking, gambling, etc... Colleges loaded with them. Anybody drinking @ that party under 21 was illegally doing so.
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Huh? 😆 Drinking age was 18. I said 16-17 year old minors at college parties wasn’t probably normal .. at least not to me Drinking At 18 is basically accepted besides law Edited September 5, 2022 by Buffalo716 1
Augie Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Anybody under 21 (most jurisdictions) is a minor when it comes to drinking, gambling, etc... Colleges loaded with them. Anybody drinking @ that party under 21 was illegally doing so. I’m hoping for a statute of limitations, and an exemption for Bills tailgates!
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I said 16-17 year old minors at college parties wasn’t probably normal .. at least not to me Drinking At 18 is basically accepted besides law Oh sure it was, even more then! Of course this is a fictional scene, but it draws on some twisted reality. "Animal House" (1978) about college life in early 1960s? IIRC, the script had her under 18. 4 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m hoping for a statute of limitations, and an exemption for Bills tailgates! You're grandfathered in. 😉 Edited September 5, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois 1
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Oh sure it was, even more then! Of course this is a fictional scene, but it draws on reality. "Animal House" (1978) about college life in early 1960s? IIRC, the script had her under 18. You're grandfathered in. 😉 Well you’re the second to say it was normal
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 3 hours ago, BananaB said: It proves she was was in the house socializing rather then being lead to a bedroom where she was raped. Inside? I think that’s the backyard.
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well you’re the second to say it was normal NormaliZED. People weren't in a vacuum. Most husbands older than wives, but not always. My MiL graduated HS in 1954. Every female had a ring on their finger except my MiL and 3 others... EDIT: Wow... Hope nobody caught my Freudian edit! 😆 Edited September 5, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: NormaliZED. People weren't in a vacuum. Most husbands older than wives, but not always. My MiL graduated HS in 1954. Every female had a ring on their victim except my MiL and 3 others... Normalized is the better word… I don’t quite get you’re bolded statement.. tho I have been drinking tonight and don’t a lot lol so I’m buzzed When you say ring on their victim do you mean they married a minor?
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Doc said: If she's claiming she had sex with him soon after getting to the party and then right after that encounter he dragged her into the house to be raped, the video proves otherwise since she didn't look like a rape victim in it, either in the way she was acting or bruises and her piercings being pulled out. Yeah, no one usually asks. And no one ever admits that they're under-aged. But while it might be odd, she's right there on video saying it. There's no getting around it. Time frame is impossible to know from the video. But an important thing is she says witnesses told her who everyone involved was. She claims she didn’t know. This case will come down to witnesses. Witnesses said Matt Araiza and the 2 other players were in the room when the rape happened. The girl didn’t know. Edited September 5, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Normalized is the better word… I don’t quite get you’re bolded statement.. tho I have been drinking tonight and don’t a lot lol so I’m buzzed When you say ring on their victim do you mean they married a minor? You caught it before my edit! You're quick. Meant to say: finger. Pretty deep slip on my part. How many underage females had sex, maybe even got pregnant, and then married. Still, back in the day... Very few options afforded females besides marrying and being a housewife. Of course, don't be foolish... They were looking on campus. 😏 Edited September 5, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois
Buffalo716 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: You caught it before my edit! You're quick. Meant to say: finger. Pretty deep slip on my part. How many underage females had sex, maybe even got pregnant, and then married. Still, back in the day... Very few options afforded females besides marrying and being a housewife. Of course, don't be foolish... They were looking on campus. 😏 I understand what you’re saying 4 days , Go Bills 1
Doc Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Time frame is impossible to know from the video. But an important thing is she says witnesses told her who everyone involved was. She claims she didn’t know. This case will come down to witnesses. Witnesses said Matt Araiza and the 2 other players were in the room when the rape happened. The girl didn’t know. Let me put this another way. In the video, the girl had obviously not been gang raped yet. I think we can agree on that one. So if she claimed that immediately after arriving at the party she had sex with Araiza and then he immediately took her inside to be raped, this video disproves that allegation. If she said she was at the party for awhile, then it proves nothing WRT the gang rape, but proves she told people she was 18. As for witnesses, I never heard any witnesses say they saw him in the room, just that he was the guy she was having sex with outside. Armstrong says he has witnesses who say he wasn't in the room. So yeah, it will come down to who has the better/more credible witnesses. But no charges being filed in over 10 months suggest her story doesn't have much support.
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