Forlorn hope Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) On 9/1/2022 at 4:24 PM, BullBuchanan said: I imagine if we as a society put in a sliver as much effort to trying to solve sexual assault cases as some people do in trying to find any possible way to discredit a rape victim, there probably wouldn't be 100s of thousands of unprocessed rape kits in this country and thousands->millions of sexual predators walking around our streets. It's a shame we have no control over that. A damn shame. Nobody is trying to go into a potential sexual assault/ rape case discrediting the alleged victim. That's literally not a real thing. Nobody is implying or thinks if she said all kinds of ridiculous stuff on tape, that it means she deserved to be raped. That's a psychotic and strange thing to think ... She's clearly flirting on tape and she's clearly telling everyone she is 18. All it does it paint a more clear context on her senses and what the atmosphere was like before an alleged rape took place. It's completely normal for ppl to judge others ( especially in context of previous statements and reputation) on how we do or don't take what ppl say seriously or not. Was this person lying before? Is this person known for x y or z? If this person did lie before, is it relevant to the actual case? Does arazia have a past reputation of abuse? What do his friends, aquiantences say about him? Past gfs? Etc etc To simply believe anyone on anything on it's face , it's not only stupid and naive, it's extremely dangerous Edited September 4, 2022 by Forlorn hope
Forlorn hope Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 1:28 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Thanks. As the old saying goes: never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. There is no legal doctrine that would ever make the Bills liable for damages. None. So maybe this was an attempt to put a squeeze on the deep pocket - the Bills - since without an NFL punting job Araiza is just a 22 year old kid with no real job prospects. I guess the theory would be “you are not legally liable, but if you give us money anyway my client may sign a non disclosure agreement and you can keep the Punt God on your roster without fear of this blowing up later.” If so, the Bills made a prudent business decision and just extricated themselves from a mess that was not of their making. I can’t help but thing this poor girl is being used by an unscrupulous operator, in it for his own publicity rather than his client’s best interest. If anything, going full fiasco mode here makes a prosecution less likely, not more likely, and the poor girl is left with no one to collect damages from (a judgment against an unemployable punter?) and no criminal charges against him either. 1
Doc Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Did she address the video of her from that night?
muppy Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Doc said: Did she address the video of her from that night? I just watched the victims interview. The video was not discussed in any way. It was a general recap as well as her "well coached by her attorney" statement. I say that because she walked the line perfectly as far as her case to win the civil suit. I am not sure if that video of she that night is widely distributed. But oh yes. if I were a juror in her case I think a competent defense attorney would be unrelenting and she would crack. Its pretty damning its ON TAPE. allll these legal concepts, consent, under age, what happened when with whom.........court will decide. I still think she was violated sexually. The lawyers will present their cases and we will see the end result at some point. OR they will settle out of court and terms undisclosed. jmo Edited September 4, 2022 by muppy
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Did she address the video of her from that night? The YouTube video became popular after all her interviews. The lawyer went silent once people started talking about the video. No one knew it was her or at least no one was allowed to expose her identity. This interview with ABC is how people tied her to that video because in another version of this interview they didn’t hide her face very well. My guess is someone was waiting for an opportunity to link her to the YouTube video but couldn’t because her identity was sealed. ABC really screwed up.
Doc Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 I thought it was a new interview. And yeah, after learning of its existence, I wouldn't be talking much either. Makes me wonder if "Bag Nation" has any more footage from that night?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, muppy said: I just watched the victims interview. The video was not discussed in any way. It was a general recap as well as her "well coached by her attorney" statement. I say that because she walked the line perfectly as far as her case to win the civil suit. I am not sure if that video of she that night is widely distributed. But oh yes. if I were a juror in her case I think a competent defense attorney would be unrelenting and she would crack. Its pretty damning its ON TAPE. allll these legal concepts, consent, under age, what happened when with whom.........court will decide. I still think she was violated sexually. The lawyers will present their cases and we will see the end result at some point. OR they will settle out of court and terms undisclosed. jmo Mup, I’m unaware of a Youtube video, and wondering from your perspective, what it revealed? In reading the recap of the interview on ABC, I’m struck once again on how to thread the needle between horrific allegations against Araiza, the attorney’s statement that an apology/donation might have solved his problem, and what she said here.
muppy Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Mup, I’m unaware of a Youtube video, and wondering from your perspective, what it revealed? In reading the recap of the interview on ABC, I’m struck once again on how to thread the needle between horrific allegations against Araiza, the attorney’s statement that an apology/donation might have solved his problem, and what she said here. it is upthread a bit leo. watch it and weep. It is a party from hell hermano.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Mup, I’m unaware of a Youtube video, and wondering from your perspective, what it revealed? In reading the recap of the interview on ABC, I’m struck once again on how to thread the needle between horrific allegations against Araiza, the attorney’s statement that an apology/donation might have solved his problem, and what she said here. All the video revealed is she lied about her age. Witnesses will be key. She says she didn’t know who the guys were and witnesses told her. The only reason Matt Araiza is a suspect is because a witness told her he was in the room. Again, that’s her version. We don’t know if it’s true. Edited September 4, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, muppy said: it is upthread a bit leo. watch it and weep. It is a party from hell hermano. I’m torn on watching it. There’s so much potential for manipulation in this sort of thing, intentional or otherwise.
Doc Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’m torn on watching it. There’s so much potential for manipulation in this sort of thing, intentional or otherwise. Just watch at 1:50 and 2:48. There's no manipulation going on. 1 1
muppy Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’m torn on watching it. There’s so much potential for manipulation in this sort of thing, intentional or otherwise. what I can say my friend is if I were called to jury duty in this case. I would 100% need to recluse myself after having seen it . This victims identify has been leaked by ABC previously due to a SNAFU. This cell phone video footage we are discussing today ID's her and there goes her anonymity ....It's All very disturbing to me . I'll leave it at that. 1
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: Just watch at 1:50 and 2:48. There's no manipulation going on. That's her at :07 too. Also odd that in both those brief clips she puts her age at 18 which would be a lie from what we know. I don't think anyone else in the video mentions their age at all. Tough to get the statutory rape charge filed with this video hanging out there. If there were charges filed, the sum total of all the video evidence would need to support them. That may be why there haven't been charges filed yet. Edited September 4, 2022 by JESSEFEFFER
Forlorn hope Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said: That's her at :07 too. Also odd that in both those brief clips she puts her age at 18 which would be a lie from what we know. I don't think anyone else in the video mentions their age at all. Tough to get the statutory rape charge filed with this video hanging out there. If there were charges filed, the sum total of all the video evidence would need to support them. That may be why there haven't been charges filed yet. It's still very much possible she was obviously being very flirty, drinking and hours after arazia left she was raped. I remember at a bar years ago this girl was drunk and acting very much the same. A couple guys lost control and basically started groping her ridiculously and she screamed for them stop. If she was in private with them I 100% believe they would've raped her. There was a very similar movie in 80s with Jodi foster in it that portrayed a similar context Edited September 4, 2022 by Forlorn hope
Doc Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: That's her at :07 too. Also odd that in both those brief clips she puts her age at 18 which would be a lie from what we know. I don't think anyone else in the video mentions their age at all. Tough to get the statutory rape charge filed with this video hanging out there. If there were charges filed, the sum total of all the video evidence would need to support them. That may be why there haven't been charges filed yet. Yup. She's in the thumbnail for the video, as well as a couple more times within the first dozen seconds or so. But only at the times I mentioned does she incriminate herself WRT what age she was telling people she was that night. And that right there kills her statutory rape claim. The only thing left is to find evidence that Araiza had nothing to do with the gang rape. 1
BananaB Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: All the video revealed is she lied about her age. Witnesses will be key. She says she didn’t know who the guys were and witnesses told her. The only reason Matt Araiza is a suspect is because a witness told her he was in the room. Again, that’s her version. We don’t know if it’s true. It proves she was was in the house socializing rather then being lead to a bedroom where she was raped.
Augie Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, BananaB said: It proves she was was in the house socializing rather then being lead to a bedroom where she was raped. In the interest of limping to 300 pages, I will point out that both of those things can be true.
BananaB Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, Augie said: In the interest of limping to 300 pages, I will point out that both of those things can be true. It was last week since I read the civil suit, but I remember it saying she entered the party in the back yard. Flirted with Matt and he forced intercourse on the side of the house. He then lead her in the house to a bedroom where she was gang raped…. Her socializing inside the party on camera without Matt kind of raises some major questions in her story. 1
phypon Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, BananaB said: It was last week since I read the civil suit, but I remember it saying she entered the party in the back yard. Flirted with Matt and he forced intercourse on the side of the house. He then lead her in the house to a bedroom where she was gang raped…. Her socializing inside the party on camera without Matt kind of raises some major questions in her story. Not to mention that in the Dateline interview she said that she never told MA she was 18. She also said that she didn't say "no" to him and that it didn't matter because she was only 17 so even if she said yes, since she was 17, it wasn't consensual. That was the gist I got from her interview. All the while, she is on camera telling everyone that she was 18.
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