Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Old Coot]

Can we merge this thread with an Edmunds thread.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Tip of the iceberg and all. Also depends on context. A 21 year old guy handing a beer to a 17 or 18 year old girl who’s already drunk might just have some ulterior motives. 

 

A lot of college aged men (and women) who go to college parties have those same ulterior motives. Going to a party with the intention of having a random hook-up not only isn't a crime, it's a staple of the college experience for many people. As long as you have a reasonable belief that the sex is consensual there is nothing criminal (or IMO immoral) about buying a girl a drink and then having sex with her.

 

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Oh and he did so knowing that he had chlamydia.

 

This is an allegation that has somehow become fact on social media. Allegations should be treated as such on this board, at least until there is even the barest amount of evidence that it is true.

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by HappyDays

[LabattBlue]

I don’t use twitter much, and I am sure those who do will link to the tweets here, but now that Araiza has been cut, I wonder if Abbott & Costello will knock it off with the twitter war.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Yes, so logically you would not raise a civil case whilst a criminal charge is still possible.

Logically. I don’t know what the motivation behind the civil lawsuit was but if I were to guess it was to get Araiza released now.

 

The timing makes sense because Araiza was all over the news nationally the last week. Josh Allen calling him “Hold God” even made national news. Punters don’t typically make the news.

 

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, BTB said:

I don’t use twitter much, and I am sure those who do will link to the tweets here, but now that Araiza has been cut, I wonder if Abbott & Costello will knock it off with the twitter war.  

Doubtful. Her lawyer was active about 12 hours ago. I don’t know how to link tweets I’m too old for this stuff lol. 

But his national spotlight kinda died the minute he was released. I don’t care about the civil part but hopefully the media cycle was enough to pressure criminal charges on the case 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Logically. I don’t know what the motivation behind the civil lawsuit was but if I were to guess it was to get Araiza released now.

 

The timing makes sense because Araiza was all over the news nationally the last week. Josh Allen calling him “Hold God” even made national news. Punters don’t typically make the news.

 

 

 

Yes, I feel the whole thing was to get Araiza cut, but I'm not sure if it's the best for this client long term.

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

Doubtful. Her lawyer was active about 12 hours ago. I don’t know how to link tweets I’m too old for this stuff lol. 

But his national spotlight kinda died the minute he was released. I don’t care about the civil part but hopefully the media cycle was enough to pressure criminal charges on the case 

I am not sure media pressure will do the trick.  The last think a DA wants is a case that cannot be won.  If it was a winnable case, wouldn’t the criminal charges have happened by now?

[HappyDays]

29 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Why focus on that?  The whole thing is pretty sketchy

 

It's become clear from your posts in this thread that you think random sex between strangers at college parties is inherently sketchy. It's fine if you believe that. But it isn't a crime or inherently immoral. If the worst thing Araiza is guilty of is giving a drink to a girl at a college party without asking for her ID and then having sex with her I don't think that rises to the level of career-ending offense. And if it does, I can't even imagine how many NFL players should be unemployed right now.

 

For most of us when we are ascribing guilt or innocence to a person's actions we try to compare it with what an average person would do in that same situation. We don't compare it to some ideal moral do-gooder who follows every law to the letter.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Doubtful. Her lawyer was active about 12 hours ago. I don’t know how to link tweets I’m too old for this stuff lol. 

But his national spotlight kinda died the minute he was released. I don’t care about the civil part but hopefully the media cycle was enough to pressure criminal charges on the case 

 

All you have to do is copy the link to the tweet and paste it here. Sometimes you have to also hit "enter" to make the tweet appear.

[Rc2catch]

Just now, BTB said:

I am not sure media pressure will do the trick.  The last think a DA wants is a case that cannot be won.  If it was a winnable case, wouldn’t the criminal charges have happened by now?

There’s a lot of debate about that. But it does take a long time to go from rape to charges filed sometimes. It was mentioned earlier 10 months is about the timeline and that’s where it’s at. 
Those phone recordings are probably the biggest key to all of this. 
I would like to see a transcript of those calls one day vs what her recollection was in the lawsuit and see if/what the differences are. 

The whole thing was bad and ugly, but her recollection of what was said on those phone calls is what killed him in the public. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Backlash for waiting until a civil suit or a criminal case was brought?  That's asinine.

The CBA change seems to really be throwing people for a loop on the optics of this one.  If that event happened while he was in the nfl he undoubtedly would’ve been suspended indefinitely until the criminal/civil cases were resolved and there would’ve been nothing to read into regarding how the bills handled it.   that can’t be done anymore for events that occurred in college for nfl players 

[Since1981]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Punters don’t typically make the news.

Can you imagine how infuriating that positive Punt PR last week would be to someone in her (her dad’s) situation.
Add to it—>dreadfully slow criminal PD,+ civil lawsuit file date closes in 6 wks/1yr

Edited August 28, 2022 by Since1981

[NoSaint]

50 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Why focus on that?  The whole thing is pretty sketchy

you called it out as proof he probably led her to a gang rape. So I’d say you focused on it as a pretty key point and I’m just questioning that as the item that ties the whole night together. 

[T master]

On 8/25/2022 at 10:10 PM, Mango said:

Tell me you haven’t read anything about this case without telling me you’ve put forth zero effort. 

 

No i don't know a lot about it Happy now ??? That's why i asked what i did .

[BarleyNY]

53 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

you called it out as proof he probably led her to a gang rape. So I’d say you focused on it as a pretty key point and I’m just questioning that as the item that ties the whole night together. 

If that’s what you took away from all of this then I’d say your reading comprehension is as poor as your objectivity. 

[Alphadawg7]

59 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Doubtful. Her lawyer was active about 12 hours ago. I don’t know how to link tweets I’m too old for this stuff lol. 

But his national spotlight kinda died the minute he was released. I don’t care about the civil part but hopefully the media cycle was enough to pressure criminal charges on the case 

 

Agreed, look at her lawyers tweets...he tries every case in the court of public opinion, its literally his primary tactic.

 

I still don't understand why her attorney was so foolish to file the civil suit before Matt was further into a better financial situation.  His job is to get as much money as he can for his client, so the timing seems like a poor decision for what was in the best interest of his client.  And based on these two idiot lawyers pissing competition in text and social media, it almost seems like he was reacting to that more than making the best choices for his client.  

 

Both these idiot lawyers are not doing anything positive for the images of their respective professions as a whole.  

[Warriorspikes51]

I see Jay Skurski, Matt Fairburn and others are showing themselves to be FAKE NEWS. These clowns live for this crap

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

If that’s what you took away from all of this then I’d say your reading comprehension is as poor as your objectivity. 

 

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

No kidding. It is more that he gave an already drunk 17 year old more beer and then had sex with her. That’s not just statuary rape, that’s rape. Oh and he did so knowing that he had chlamydia. That’s all before he - or possibly someone else - took her inside and upstairs to a bedroom to be gang raped.

 

Weird that someone else could’ve taken her to the room though. what would’ve had to happen was that Araiza met this girls, had sex with her and then just walked away as soon as he was done. Just went to hang out with some other people or something. That’d be very odd. 

 

so you aren’t hanging your assessment of his participation in the second set of events heavily on it being “very odd” to hook up with her earlier and then leave?

[wppete]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I see Jay Skurski, Matt Fairburn and others are showing themselves to be FAKE NEWS. These clowns live for this crap

What happened? What did I miss?

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

I am not sure media pressure will do the trick.  The last think a DA wants is a case that cannot be won.  If it was a winnable case, wouldn’t the criminal charges have happened by now?

You are correct if Matt’s DNA isn’t in the rape kit and she doesn’t have eye witness accounts they really have no case against him now the other guys that’s a different story