Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[BeastMaster]

6 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Maybe I am naive, but how does one go about setting up a gang rape?  Do you just call a couple guys-people you have obviously discussed coordinating a gang  rape with at some point I. The future- and say “hey I’ve got this girl let’s gang rape her tonight” and you meet someplace pre determined.  That seems just so out there but yet I really can’t think of what else “setting up” would mean. If this is the case then execute all three because they are total psychopaths premeditating such violence.   
 

Someone earlier said punter was responsible for where he dropped her off.  How and why? If he had dropped her off at her own home and subsequently this happened by strangers to him he isn’t responsible. 
 

So it leads back to him having fully and preplanned and executed his plan of gang rape.   
 

quite the well thought out statement by lawyer

 

i am not making light of anything I’m trying to wrap my head around this. If someone called me and asked if I was up for gang raping someone sometime I’d call the police right after I beat the stuffing out of the scumbag. 

Lots of really bad takes by many here. Guess that comes with having a mega thread where information is limited, and posters don't bother to read.

 

I also think that a possible scenario is that this woman did have sexual relations with Araiza, but went on to later get involved in a situation where she was attacked. Being that Araiza is the meal ticket and headliner for a media frenzy, she links him to the attack and adds him into something that he was not involved with.

 

We don't know, and unless we get more information...we are all left guessing.

 

I'll also say it's easy to just say get rid of him and the problem, but I kinda see that as a surrender to the media and court of public opinion, instead of getting it right.

 

I suppose it depends on what matters to the organization at this point

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, BeastMaster said:

Lots of really bad takes by many here. Guess that comes with having a mega thread where information is limited, and posters don't bother to read.

 

I also think that a possible scenario is that this woman did have sexual relations with Araiza, but went on to later get involved in a situation where she was attacked. Being that Araiza is the meal ticket and headliner for a media frenzy, she links him to the attack and adds him into something that he was not involved with.

 

We don't know, and unless we get more information...we are all left guessing.

 

I'll also say it's easy to just say get rid of him and the problem, but I kinda see that as a surrender to the media and court of public opinion, instead of getting it right.

 

I suppose it depends on what matters to the organization at this point

I think public opinion and social media court is Araiza’s problem and his Lawyer is NOT helping. If the circus gets too big the team will just cut ties. 

[boyst]

I'm tired of the gaslighting by WGR

 

The mantra of "the Bills won't cut him so we are forced to talk about him" is hilarious.

 

The afternoon guys doing pre-game said " as long as he is on the team this is the only thing we will be able to talk about. They need to do something" was the biggest example of how piss-poor the media is on the connection to reality.

 

These doofs have the mic. They can literally talk about anything.

[Bermuda Triangle]

9 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

I've taken a half dozen polygraph tests and lied throughout and passed. They're easy to fool. 

Cool guy alert!

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBud17 said:

The ones this stuff hurts the most is the women bills fans that are rape survivors. Got to cut him, and let this be resolved 

Again I think what makes it tough is that they don’t know if he raped her. It’s easy to say just cut him because he’s named as an accomplice but he may be innocent. There were other players there and she didn’t remember anything. He’s saying the details in the suit are not accurate.  It’s tough to separate the emotion. 

Edited August 27, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[boyst]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

Cool guy alert!

I'm so cool I am beyond miles Davis. 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No disrespect at all intended here, but you seem to be making assumptions here on what was or wasn’t found before we know what Bills PI discovered.

 

I agree with pretty much everything else you said, all valid comments.  

Oh, I am… I’m just assuming that they would at least know the age of the woman at the time this is alleged to have occurred.  
 

I’m also assuming the investigation corroborated Araiza’s side of the story.  
 

Maybe I’m wrong and the Bills thought they could sneak a rapist onto the team right after Deshaun Watson’s offseason…. But I have to imagine those two findings (that he was believable and she was underage but there is context) were provided to the team during the investigation. 
 

but yes… definitely assumptions on my part. 

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No disrespect at all intended here, but you seem to be making assumptions here on what was or wasn’t found before we know what Bills PI discovered.

 

I agree with pretty much everything else you said, all valid comments.  

Its a football internet message board, we are all making assumptions.

 

The entire premise is assumption. haha. 
 

None of us actually know Edmunds responsibility on a play, coverage assignments for a DB, or what a WR should have seen and what their reaction should be. But we still get 35 post game threads and hundreds of responses. 
 

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Mango

[CaliBills]

Just now, Boyst62 said:

I'm so cool I am beyond miles Davis. 

Who is Miles Davis?

 

haha jk I know he is that singer that song jailhouse rock and all that 

[The Red King]

9 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, the Bills have a real mess on their hands and they have hard decisions to make.  Just the fact that Araiza was involved in this type of situation is a red flag.  The Bills have to protect themselves and their reputation, they need answers of the evidence here. If the girl's rape test shows multiple DNA?  The statuatory issue?

If there isn't real clear problems with the victim's story then I won't want to support this franchise if they keep Araiza.  

 

I get your point about innocent until proven guilty, but this isn't a trial.  This is a business decision based on a terrible situation with most of the worst facets involving Araiza.

 

You can always go support the Browns.  They stood up for your principles.

 

You mean like innocent until proven guilty?  Sorry, didn't realize you supported the Salem Witch Trials.

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

You know what would really suck?

 

Bills cut

He settles

Signs with other team and hangs an 80 yarder on us.  

 

He either wins a Bills or crashes a Bill.

 

We've crossed the Rubicon.

 

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

No.  Because then he lied to Bills. Cut him and give him an orange jumpsuit (and I don't mean a Fins Uni).  The Bills cab play victimized role. 

 

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Sorta. Don't dwell on it. "Onto next week, next question, danke."

 

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yet... The police find nothing criminally.   Were they really on the fix?  Or is plaintiff embellishing for a lower burden of proof civil case

 

 

I notice you have a lot to say, but don't want to elaborate on your statement about making a rape victim whole. Please, enlighten us. 

[Behindenemylines]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Lots of really bad takes by many here. Guess that comes with having a mega thread where information is limited, and posters don't bother to read.

 

I also think that a possible scenario is that this woman did have sexual relations with Araiza, but went on to later get involved in a situation where she was attacked. Being that Araiza is the meal ticket and headliner for a media frenzy, she links him to the attack and adds him into something that he was not involved with.

 

We don't know, and unless we get more information...we are all left guessing.

 

I'll also say it's easy to just say get rid of him and the problem, but I kinda see that as a surrender to the media and court of public opinion, instead of getting it right.

 

I suppose it depends on what matters to the organization at this point

That’s what’s so difficult because if it was a different position would it be harder to just cut him-which is a moral dilemma which is what I saw on McD face last night.   And none of us know how much the Bills knew or know now. And the more they say the more liable they end up later on too.  

[BeastMaster]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think public opinion and social media court is Araiza’s problem and his Lawyer is NOT helping. If the circus gets too big the team will just cut ties. 

I agree, and I think that the organization does eventually give in to the mob and cuts ties. 

 

I think suspending him with pay until it's resolved is the best option. We have to pay him regardless...it keeps the heat off of the team, and it allows us to keep him if he is proven to have done nothing wrong...instead of a team scooping him up and then they get his services at our expense.

[wppete]

49 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Uh didnt Kim recently suffer a major medical ailment that has her in the hospital for a long time? In fact is she not still recovering???

 

Your post seems absolutely absurd in light of that.

No I did no. Be interesting to see when recovered what her comment on the Araiza and Deshaun Watson Watson situation.

[hemma]

Reading some of these posts makes me wonder if people understand that the Bills have their own attorneys and quite likely have picked up a Cal firm on retainer.

 

Much if not all of their responses and actions over the last month have and will continue to be directed by their attorneys.  Every communication release by the Bills has been & will continue to be heavily wordsmithed.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, BeastMaster said:

I agree, and I think that the organization does eventually give in to the mob and cuts ties. 

 

I think suspending him with pay until it's resolved is the best option. We have to pay him regardless...it keeps the heat off of the team, and it allows us to keep him if he is proven to have done nothing wrong...instead of a team scooping him up and then they get his services at our expense.

I’m not sure if they can suspend him without pay per the cba. I think it would have to be like watson’s situation last year and make him inactive every week and still pay him. But then you are using two roster spots on punters 

Edited August 27, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

That’s what’s so difficult because if it was a different position would it be harder to just cut him-which is a moral dilemma which is what I saw on McD face last night.   And none of us know how much the Bills knew or know now. And the more they say the more liable they end up later on too.  

I don’t know that it would be, tbh. 
 

Arazia just happens to be the first guy after Watson’s ordeal to get hit with a sexual assault related accusation.

 

Seeing how media has covered the story, and how the Twitter crowd has reacted.. essentially demanding he be sacrificed to the bowels of hell.. I honestly don’t know if ANYONE in the league stands a chance if they get hit with a sexual assault allegation right now. 
 

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by SCBills

[Ralonzo]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBud17 said:

The ones this stuff hurts the most is the women bills fans that are rape survivors. Got to cut him, and let this be resolved 

 

There's a lot of non-sequitur takes on this board but this one's a contender for the crown. Are you Tim Graham? Many sports reporters are women, as you know. How can they continue to cover the Bills if they don't cut the punter?

[Albany,n.y.]

9 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Lots of really bad takes by many here. Guess that comes with having a mega thread where information is limited, and posters don't bother to read.

 

I also think that a possible scenario is that this woman did have sexual relations with Araiza, but went on to later get involved in a situation where she was attacked. Being that Araiza is the meal ticket and headliner for a media frenzy, she links him to the attack and adds him into something that he was not involved with.

 

We don't know, and unless we get more information...we are all left guessing.

 

I'll also say it's easy to just say get rid of him and the problem, but I kinda see that as a surrender to the media and court of public opinion, instead of getting it right.

 

I suppose it depends on what matters to the organization at this point

The problem is that if Araiza had sex with her it's still statutory rape even if he wasn't involved in any of the other stuff.  If they have any proof they had sex, consensual or not, he's toast.  

[Bermuda Triangle]

It's probably been asked, but where are Kim Pegula and Beane on all of this?  Why is McDermott being hung out to dry by the organization?