Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, bobobonators said: At this point it’s not about guilt or innocence. Its about what’s best for the team. Let the courts decide guilt or innocence. Let the Bills play football. Cut the punter. 100% A lot of folks yesterday were chiming in about how you have to be on the players side. Wait for the legal process to play out, innocent until proven guilty. And how just because he's a rookie punter who has been on the team for a little over three months doesn't mean he deserves any less treatment than our $258 million QB who has meant so much for the Buffalo community and fan base over the last FIVE years. I think for those same posters reality might be starting to set in after McDermott's press conference. Anyone who watched it could tell it was damn near killing McDermott. For McDermott's health, Araiza has to go.
LeGOATski Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: They didn't have anything. They found out when we did. Doesn't this point to a lack of communication within leadership? They say they knew, but apparently didn't know? Who knew and who didn't? I was under the assumption that the FO was all on the same page...
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: Doesn't this point to a lack of communication within leadership? They say they knew, but apparently didn't know? Who knew and who didn't? I was under the assumption that the FO was all on the same page... Nothing about this ordeal has given me a lot of confidence in the front office. Previously I thought they were bulletproof.
LeGOATski Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Nothing about this ordeal has given me a lot of confidence in the front office. Previously I thought they were bulletproof. Same, but this definitely throws it all into question.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Could be something like they spoke to a witness, who has since recanted a favorable belief on araiza. does seem like something changed in a hurry. mcd didnt keep this dude around for 6 weeks, and then realize at press conference that the squeeze isnt worth the juice. something changed quick imo Yeah he lied to them. Thats my guess
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Nothing about this ordeal has given me a lot of confidence in the front office. Previously I thought they were bulletproof. Bulletproof? Peterman. PED Murphy. Domestic Dodson. Vontae Davis. And now this... They have been better than most but they have had some colossal blunders too. Worst QB in league history. Guy quit at half-time. Signed a PED cheat. 1 3
LeGOATski Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bulletproof? Peterman. PED Murphy. Domestic Dodson. Vontae Davis. And now this... They have been better than most but they have had some colossal blunders too. Worst QB in league history. Guy quit at half-time. Signed a PED cheat. It's not that they don't make mistakes. It's that there seems to possibly have been a big miscommunication or someone holding information back.
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bulletproof? Peterman. PED Murphy. Domestic Dodson. Vontae Davis. And now this... They have been better than most but they have had some colossal blunders too. Worst QB in league history. Guy quit at half-time. Signed a PED cheat. This is all those wrapped up x10. Doesn't even compare tbh
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, LeGOATski said: It's not that they don't make mistakes. It's that there seems to possibly have been a big miscommunication or someone holding information back. Yeah Araiza lied to them. Their investigation probably consisted of talking to him and maybe trying to get some inside info from the police. They surely did not speak to the victim. If Beane did not tell McDermott then this is a much much bigger story. I highly doubt that is the case but holy hell that would be a bombshell. 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: This is all those wrapped up x10. Doesn't even compare tbh 100% agree. Just making the case they were far from perfect before this 1 1
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Yeah Araiza lied to them. Their investigation probably consisted of talking to him and maybe trying to get some inside info from the police. They surely did not speak to the victim. If Beane did not tell McDermott then this is a much much bigger story. I highly doubt that is the case but holy hell that would be a bombshell. 100% agree. Just making the case they were far from perfect before this They were about as good as you could ask for prior to this.
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bulletproof? Peterman. PED Murphy. Domestic Dodson. Vontae Davis. And now this... They have been better than most but they have had some colossal blunders too. Worst QB in league history. Guy quit at half-time. Signed a PED cheat. If you draft Josh and trade for Diggs the rest is almost negligible. However the Wyatt teller trade and drafting Ford, trying to trade for AB, in addition to what you’ve listed proves they’re capable of major mistakes.
aristocrat Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Turk71 said: The Bills never spoke with her attorney. He contacted them twice and they completely ignored him, never got back to him. Their 'thorough' investigation had no input whatsoever from the victim or her attorney. this is not true. They had one phone call with her attorney and an email detailing the accusation. They did not speak to the victim but likely cause that’s a risky situation considering you don’t want to interfere in a criminal investigation. 1
Buffalo03 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bulletproof? Peterman. PED Murphy. Domestic Dodson. Vontae Davis. And now this... They have been better than most but they have had some colossal blunders too. Worst QB in league history. Guy quit at half-time. Signed a PED cheat. They have made a couple mistakes, no front office is perfect. Did you actually expect them to hit on everything they do? What they have done good FAR outweighs the bad 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Bingo. Beane either never relayed the full investigation findings to McDermott or worst yet never relayed any of the findings to McDermott. And the emotions that McDermott showed in the press conference and the fact that the one question he did not skirt and instead answered was one regarding finding out new information in the last 24hrs could point to riff where McDermott was left in the dark. Or Beane never knew about it himself 1
LeGOATski Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: They have made a couple mistakes, no front office is perfect. Did you actually expect them to hit on everything they do? What they have done good FAR outweighs the bad Every FO makes mistakes. People seem to want to lump it all together. This isn't simply about making mistakes, though. This raises questions about the integrity of the FO. Up until now, despite their mistakes, the FO has seemed to operate with the upmost integrity. 2
Buffalo03 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Every FO makes mistakes. People seem to want to lump it all together. This isn't simply about making mistakes, though. This raises questions about the integrity of the FO. Up until now, despite their mistakes, the FO has seemed to operate with the upmost integrity. They may not have known about it when they drafted him and up until yesterday may not have known how bad everything was. I see no reason why they would out of the blue just pick Araiza in the draft with the intention of "let's just keep this between ourselves". I don't think they operate like that Edited August 27, 2022 by Buffalo03
PolishPrince Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 Im just here for when the thread hits 200 pages
thewookie1 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 People need to understand cutting Araiza isn't that simple in regards to the NFLPA. My guess is they wait until Kern or another punter comes available and then they just swap him out.
K D Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: There is no “consent” when someone is underaged. It’s rape, period. If what you say is true then cut this POS and sign the best free agent possible. Normally I would agree with this but they are on a college campus, she said she went to the name of a college (which was also a name of a high school) and it's not like she is 15 she probably looked the same age as everyone else at that party. So it's ok if she is a few months older (18) but it's rape and let's lock him up and throw away the key because she's a few months younger? He was 21, they probably look to be around the same age. If a senior can't date a freshmen (same age difference) then probably every single one of my college friends would be in jail right now. And even then, under California law it's only a misdemeanor. It's not as cut and dry as you are suggesting in this particular instance
LeGOATski Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, PolishPrince said: Im just here for when the thread hits 200 pages 1
billieve420 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Normally I would agree with this but they are on a college campus, she said she went to the name of a college (which was also a name of a high school) and it's not like she is 15 she probably looked the same age as everyone else at that party. So it's ok if she is a few months older (18) but it's rape and let's lock him up and throw away the key because she's a few months younger? He was 21, they probably look to be around the same age. If a senior can't date a freshmen (same age difference) then probably every single one of my college friends would be in jail right now. And even then, under California law it's only a misdemeanor. It's not as cut and dry as you are suggesting in this particular instance Yeah at this point that is his best case scenario. I mean if you have a boyfriend and girlfriend who are both 17 at the time. However, the boyfriend is technically older. Is it still considered rape the moment he turns 18 while his girlfriend is still 17. Under California law that would appear to be the case. Whatever the reason Matt needs to step away from football and handle his personal situation. It is bad enough he did end up sleeping with a minor. Even worse if he was involved in the alleged gang rape of this woman. So I am in the camp of releasing him and not have this situation drag into the season.
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