Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, stevewin said: I think this should put to rest the theory that the locker room would be torn apart it they got rid of him and didn't "back the player innocent until proven guilty" Agreed. People actually thought that? The guy has been on the team for a few months. On top of that, players these days understand the NFL is a BUSINESS. The situation sucks all around but at the end of the day the locker room and definitely coach McDermott based on his press conference will be much better off mentally if they part ways from Araiza. 1 hour ago, Boyst62 said: I've taken a half dozen polygraph tests and lied throughout and passed. They're easy to fool. LOL. What the heck kind of trouble are you finding yourself in?
Shortchaz Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) Few thoughts • I don’t really care if a 21 y/o had CONSENSUAL sex with a 17 y/o from a criminal standpoint (I get the 17 y/o can’t legally consent argument) • The bills REALLY must like the way this guy punts to even have him on the team at this point • Not worth keeping around, too much of a headache. He’s the type of guy that sleeps with 17 y/os (possibly worse) • They were probably done with haack either way. Edited August 27, 2022 by Shortchaz
ndirish1978 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) He's gone, after seeing McDermott's press conference. I know he says he wants to do more work, but he clearly was not given a full picture of what happened and learned new information along with the rest of us. As for @wppete's disgusting comment above. Kim is recovering from a serious health issue that had her in intensive care for quite a while. Thanks for reminding me where the ignore button is, your comments about her expose you as a troubled person, you should do some work on yourself. Edited August 27, 2022 by ndirish1978 2 1 1 3
Beck Water Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: you may be correct, but then I think McD has unrealistic thoughts about what sort of investigation the team can do. Without criminal charges this is still a he-she said because there is nothing from the police investigation. Perhaps McD should have asked the police to release the tapes, etc. I wrote up some thoughts I had on this topic in another post. Probably not as coherent as I think it is, but have a gander.
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 Nobody is sleeping the way they're having sex! And yes there is a lot to say about how in love they are with his leg. Anybody remember "Chuck Knox Ball?" It really is about field position. Today's game was almost an statistical tie. They won by 3 scores and CAR punted one more time.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: really bush league journalists. Wasn't it McDermott that made it clear he wasn't even going to talk about the game? That the circumstances regarding Araiza were more important and the only thing he would discuss. 1 2
What a Tuel Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said: It's all over the media that he's already admitted he had sex with an underage girl. So consent won't matter. Basically he's already committed a crime! I don't understand this discussion at this point? He has to to go, and the Bills need to find a decent punter. When the Colts immediately signed Haack when he was released, I knew there weren't many good punters out there....A punter is not a QB, but they aren't nothing.... Bills need to clean this up pronto! n . 1. Its not that clear cut for the law in California. Especially if she lied about her age. 2. 21 year olds legally have sex with 17 year olds in NY all the time. If we think its so gross and illegal in California, why is it legal here? Maybe we should tone down the rhetoric until we have all the facts. That doesn't mean he is let off the hook, it means cool down for a second. Quote The age of consent for sexual relations in New York is 17 years old, meaning until a person turns 17, they cannot legally consent to sexual activity. A person who has sexual activity with someone younger than 17 can be charged with a sex crime. (More information on these crimes is below.) Edited August 27, 2022 by What a Tuel
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: There is one more terrible scenario out there. The Bills knew and still drafted him! THAT would be horrible and disgusting and defeat EVERY word out of McD’s mouth about character and culture. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED! But, I certainly want McD and the GM to say that they were misled and the info never, ever came up! And pronto! I'm starting to think McDermott found out about these allegations 6pm last night. Same time we all did. Just because someone within the Bills organization was told about these allegation back in July doesn't mean that someone was necessarily McDermott. In fact I would doubt the chain of command would be for that information to got to McDermott first. It would probably got to Beane first I am thinking, Then it is up to Beane on whether he shares it with McDermott or the Pegula's. Maybe Beane shares with the Pegula's and the three of them agree it's best to not share with McDermott or maybe not give McDermott all the details. It was interesting that McDermott said in his press conference today that there were definitely some new pieces of information that came out in the last 24hrs that he was not previously aware of. 1
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: theres worry in me that we have the sweetest situation ever and there could be tension between beane and mcd, but i think thats paranoia and bills ptsd creeping in. Beane would be delegating the investigatiob out to a specialized employee(s), and making his decision based on that info with mcd. I think someone in that office is about to have the worst meeting of their life, and a box to put their chitt in. Bingo. Beane either never relayed the full investigation findings to McDermott or worst yet never relayed any of the findings to McDermott. And the emotions that McDermott showed in the press conference and the fact that the one question he did not skirt and instead answered was one regarding finding out new information in the last 24hrs could point to riff where McDermott was left in the dark.
Beck Water Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why Simon, why??😭 Somebody open a cut prediction thread quick, please JUST FOR YOU I did that thing, and are you over there posting? NooooooOoooooo 1
BillsfaninSB Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I'm starting to think McDermott found out about these allegations 6pm last night. Same time we all did. Just because someone within the Bills organization was told about these allegation back in July doesn't mean that someone was necessarily McDermott. In fact I would doubt the chain of command would be for that information to got to McDermott first. It would probably got to Beane first I am thinking, Then it is up to Beane on whether he shares it with McDermott or the Pegula's. Maybe Beane shares with the Pegula's and the three of them agree it's best to not share with McDermott or maybe not give McDermott all the details. It was interesting that McDermott said in his press conference today that there were definitely some new pieces of information that came out in the last 24hrs that he was not previously aware of. I find it hard to believe the Head Coach, going into his 6th season, was not kept in the loop. Especially when the decision of whether or not they cut Haak was on the table. To put the coach in that position is really unprofessional. He had to know the same amount as the rest of upper management. To not include him would be a huge issue with the organization. What he learned in the last 36 hours may be something we, the public, do not know about as of yet.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: Someone lied to him is what I think. Agreed. And I don't think it was just Araiza. 1 minute ago, BillsfaninSB said: I find it hard to believe the Head Coach, going into his 6th season, was not kept in the loop. Especially when the decision of whether or not they cut Haak was on the table. To put the coach in that position is really unprofessional. He had to know the same amount as the rest of upper management. To not include him would be a huge issue with the organization. What he learned in the last 36 hours may be something we, the public, do not know about as of yet. It would be wild for sure.
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsfaninSB said: I find it hard to believe the Head Coach, going into his 6th season, was not kept in the loop. Especially when the decision of whether or not they cut Haak was on the table. To put the coach in that position is really unprofessional. He had to know the same amount as the rest of upper management. To not include him would be a huge issue with the organization. What he learned in the last 36 hours may be something we, the public, do not know about as of yet. They didn't know. It's the simplest answer. There's no hidden info stashed away. They found out when we did. 1
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Draconator said: Welcome to 2022 Or 1922 or 1822 or basically since forever.
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 58 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said: It's all over the media that he's already admitted he had sex with an underage girl. So consent won't matter. Basically he's already committed a crime! I don't understand this discussion at this point? He has to to go, and the Bills need to find a decent punter. When the Colts immediately signed Haack when he was released, I knew there weren't many good punters out there....A punter is not a QB, but they aren't nothing.... Bills need to clean this up pronto! n . There is no “consent” when someone is underaged. It’s rape, period. If what you say is true then cut this POS and sign the best free agent possible. 1
Beast Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) Why was Araiza allowed on the trip? Why wasn’t he just sent home at some point of Friday? Was there an assumption he was going to dress and play by someone in the organization (Beane?) and McDermott said no, it’s his decision who to dress or not dress? Could that be some of the stress McDermott is dealing with? I didn’t hear any of the pressers so maybe that was addressed. If so, disregard that theory. Will we hear from Beane or is he going to continue to let his coach jump on this hand grenade while McD clearly has more important things to worry about like getting his team ready for the season? This flat out stinks. Edited August 27, 2022 by Beast 1
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Muppy at some point the Bills are going to have to start answering questions. "We have work to do" isn't going to cut it They have to start answering questions on timelines and what did they know and when did they know it ? If they don't the press is going to start circling like sharks around a bloody kill. It will only get worse from here Actually they won't have to answer any of those questions. The problem goes away as soon as they release Araiza. They'll have one press conference after the release where McDermott basically gives all the same answers he did today and then that will be it. He will say: "I'm not going to get into what we knew and when. I'll just say some new information came up recently (which he already admitted today). And in light of that new information, as an organization we have decided it is best to move on from Matt. And we are going to leave it at that." Case closed. Time to get ready for the Rams. 2 1
Beast Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Actually they won't have to answer any of those questions. The problem goes away as soon as they release Araiza. They'll have one press conference after the release where McDermott basically gives all the same answers he did today and then that will be it. He will say: "I'm not going to get into what we knew and when. I'll just say some new information came up recently (which he already admitted today). And in light of that new information, as an organization we have decided it is best to move on from Matt. And we are going to leave it at that." Case closed. Time to get ready for the Rams. That needs to happen in short order. Enough of this nonsense. 1
BillsfaninSB Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They didn't know. It's the simplest answer. There's no hidden info stashed away. They found out when we did. It seems to me they knew more than zero. Coach made it sound like he was not oblivious to the incident prior to Thursday at the post game press conference. Q. How much did you learn in the last 24 hours that you didn’t already know? SM: “I would say there’s been some, and I’m not going to deny that, and that’s why I have more work to do on this." I’m not mad at the Bills for taking some time to understand where they stood with Matt. But cutting the punter not accused of rape just doesn’t add up.
GoBills808 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: It seems to me they knew more than zero. Coach made it sound like he was not oblivious to the incident prior to Thursday at the post game press conference. Q. How much did you learn in the last 24 hours that you didn’t already know? SM: “I would say there’s been some, and I’m not going to deny that, and that’s why I have more work to do on this." I’m not mad at the Bills for taking some time to understand where they stood with Matt. But cutting the punter not accused of rape just doesn’t add up. It does if they weren't aware of what Araiza was accused of doing.
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