Airseven Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 Did this alleged victim frequent college parties? 1 1
Awwufelloff Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 If they knew a month ago there is literally zero excuse to cut Hauck. Kind of disappointed in the bills right now. If anything it’s a massive distraction right before the season starts. He’s a punter for gods sake… 1
Beck Water Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: You need to read between the lines. "Did you feel you were misled by Matt?" "I'm not gonna go there." By not saying "no", he said volumes. That was my interpretation, but other interpretations differ 1
nkreed Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: You need to read between the lines. "Did you feel you were misled by Matt?" "I'm not gonna go there." By not saying "no", he said volumes. That's your confirmation bias saying that. When looked at with a little more background, he can't say a thing. He was between a rock and a hard place. He could not confirm or deny anything coming his way. 2 1 1 1
RyanC883 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: Especially since it was reported that the lawyer for the victim notified the bills over 3 or 4 weeks ago.... Seems pretty amateurish to me getting notifies by one party 3 weeks ago means they likely started looking into this. That’s a significant amount of investigating in 3 weeks.
jkeerie Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Two other teams drafted punters before the Bills took Araiza, who was clearly the highest rated punter in the draft. Why did they know enough not to pick him and the Bills did not? Did the Bills know and take a chance that it would just go away? Otherwise, why did the Bills think he was dropping and teams were drafting other punters? McD looked uncomfortable and pissed off to be in that situation. You can't draw that conclusion. Stout from Penn State was the first punter taken by the Ravens. I actually thought he was a better prospect due to hang time and pinning teams inside the 20. I'm not certain who the second punter was (the punter from Georgia maybe??)...but teams may have preferred hang time and holding experience to distance in his case as well. 1
HappyDays Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: All I know about any of this is the kid will get his day in court, possibly multiple courts. If he's cleared he will get an opportunity to play with someone. If he's not then he won't. At this point it doesn't need to be Buffalo because the distraction that will happen between now and that time in the future when all of the court dates are over isn't worth it for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. You could tell me right now that he will be a HoF punter and that he will be 100% exonerated 12-18 months from now and it doesn't matter. This season CANNOT be derailed by a god damned punter. After seeing how the team looked tonight and watching McDermott's presser I have done a complete 180 and come around to this view. It just isn't worth it. It will hang over the team for the whole season and I can't even imagine what the Ralph will be like whenever he comes out to punt. I'm not going to assume he's guilty of anything, the case will play itself out, but for right now let him go and if he is found to be completely innocent we can bring him back in the future. 1 6
Kmart128 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: After seeing how the team looked tonight and watching McDermott's presser I have done a complete 180 and come around to this view. It just isn't worth it. It will hang over the team for the whole season and I can't even imagine what the Ralph will be like whenever he comes out to punt. I'm not going to assume he's guilty of anything, the case will play itself out, but for right now let him go and if he is found to be completely innocent we can bring him back in the future. If he is found innocent do you think he will want to go to a team that cut him and didnt believe his story? He would probably hatevthe organization for not believing his story and potentially costing him his career.
HappyDays Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: Per McD's press conference, here's the pretext I think they'll use to cut ties with MA: https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2022/08/27/matt-araiza-bills-punter-rape-lawsuit-sean-mcdermott-upset-press-conference/65459704007/ Were you aware that he or his agent were going to put out a statement? No. Do you have a reaction to that statement? Did you read it? Have you seen it? I'm aware of that statement since the game and I'm not going to make a comment on that. Blindsiding the HC and generating more bad press for the team--that alone puts a fork in it, IMO. . Oh yeah I think that mid-game statement was the nail in the coffin. McDermott is already doing everything he can to get a handle on the situation and prepare his team for a game in the middle of a media storm, and then Araiza perpetuates the distraction while that game is being played. 1
Kmart128 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bangarang said: This is a pretty damning thing for a leader of this team to say. It basically sounds like Hyde believes the right thing to do is move on from Araiza. Really? I think opposite... sounds like he is saying he trusts their judgment. And trusts the Bills investigation into the matter and trusts that they wouldnt have cut Haack if they thought this was accurate. 1
Shake_My_Head Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: After seeing how the team looked tonight and watching McDermott's presser I have done a complete 180 and come around to this view. It just isn't worth it. It will hang over the team for the whole season and I can't even imagine what the Ralph will be like whenever he comes out to punt. I'm not going to assume he's guilty of anything, the case will play itself out, but for right now let him go and if he is found to be completely innocent we can bring him back in the future. I have also come to the viewpoint that regardless of his guilt or innocence, he's gone. And won't be brought back, irrespective of the outcome of the civil case. To quote Mr. Spock, "...The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." 2
Freddie's Dead Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Simon said: Yeah, there was definitely that element too. I just thought he was gritting his teeth in a mammoth effort to stay calm and controlled. I counted 12 times where he used some variation of "I'm not going there". It looked like he was going to lose it on the last three, especially when he was asked if Matt lied to him. He could have said no, but he chose not to answer. That said volumes to me.
LeGOATski Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You were saying? I was saying "Well, I think you'll see it."
Freddie's Dead Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, nkreed said: That's your confirmation bias saying that. When looked at with a little more background, he can't say a thing. He was between a rock and a hard place. He could not confirm or deny anything coming his way. It's like a grand jury. You either take the 5th on everything, or you have to answer every question. McD said much by which questions he decided to answer. When you take this in conjunction with his answer about learning new information in the last 24 hours, I think that speaks volumes.
HappyDays Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: If he is found innocent do you think he will want to go to a team that cut him and didnt believe his story? He would probably hatevthe organization for not believing his story and potentially costing him his career. If Araiza is cut it won't be the Bills fault, especially if he lied to them at any point. If he resents us for it and decides to never come back in the future after being proved innocent, oh well. Players have had their careers ruined by stepping on the turf in the wrong way. If Araiza is totally innocent I sympathize with him. But ultimately we have to do what's best for the team's Super Bowl aspirations, and in a decision between really good punter and morale of the entire team you choose the entire team every time. You can't tell me you watched tonight's game and think it wasn't weighing on the team. If the Bills cut Araiza tomorrow the media will move on and the team can move on with them. Capable punters are found on the street.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: After seeing how the team looked tonight and watching McDermott's presser I have done a complete 180 and come around to this view. It just isn't worth it. It will hang over the team for the whole season and I can't even imagine what the Ralph will be like whenever he comes out to punt. I'm not going to assume he's guilty of anything, the case will play itself out, but for right now let him go and if he is found to be completely innocent we can bring him back in the future. I’ve been firmly in the let more info come out first crowd before we rush to judgement. And I still believe that. But seeing McD at the presser and even some of the players quotes has also given me a 180 that this is too heavy of a situation to carry into the season. So for me, there needs to be a very strong piece of information that comes to light immediately that supports Matt’s case or I don’t know how they can keep him on the team while his case plays out. And honestly, sounds like the opposite may have happened where they may have gotten new info that makes his case worse. I think he will be cut this weekend. Edited August 27, 2022 by Alphadawg7 3 2
BillsfaninSB Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 So ready for this to be over. Bills have a chance to cut bait now and make it only a San Diego problem. Don’t want to be lumped in with the Browns, Steelers and Chiefs. 1 2 1
Mattymafia Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Have to believe it was football related as Araiza did not hold in college. I seriously doubt Araiza would have been drafted if they knew about this situation. Now we can question how in their pre draft process and background checks this ended up being missed. However, I believe the Bills found out about this just recently at least a few weeks ago. Genuinely curious how much McDermott knew about this situation and if there is any disconnect between Beane and him. Releasing Haack looks like a poor decision in retrospect. Araiza didn’t hold in college because he also kicked field goals.
Malazan Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: After seeing how the team looked tonight and watching McDermott's presser I have done a complete 180 and come around to this view. It just isn't worth it. It will hang over the team for the whole season and I can't even imagine what the Ralph will be like whenever he comes out to punt. I'm not going to assume he's guilty of anything, the case will play itself out, but for right now let him go and if he is found to be completely innocent we can bring him back in the future. Regardless, Araiza made bad decisions that put him in a situation where he was exposed. Since then he kept it from the team in some capacity. His lawyer is doing things that are inappropriate and apparently not communicating to the Bills what they're doing. They don't need this distraction. McDermott looked shook. This could easily snowball if it was kept from McDermott somewhere along the line. Cut him now. He can cry into his guaranteed $700,000. Edited August 27, 2022 by Malazan 1
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