Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Is the commissioner's exempt list an option here? I've heard it mentioned but I'm not aware of the stipulations.

 

Having him suit up and play seems tone deaf. 

 

No, the commissioner's exempt list is not an option here.  The CBA prohibits the NFL from action against players for events that occurred before they were drafted.

 

These lists are also at the discretion of the league office; the team can not place a player on them.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Why did the accuser stop cooperating? 

 

In some cases police are unsupportive, even indifferent or hostile, to women reporting sexual violence. I don't know what the case is here but her not cooperating is not automatically a red flag.

[CaliBills]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

to be perfectly honest 2bd has been my focus. I'll look into it though. I know some SDSU alums  I could ask. I would think people are kind of like we here. Basically shocked and none too thrilled. It's  a terrible story by any account Ive heard ya know?

 

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I work with a few SDSU Alum's as well (Live in SD myself) and actually did discuss it.

 

They think it is horrible but due process still has to occur.  

 

They both believe it looks really bad for SDSU.  

 

Oh and neither are Bills fans by any means. Charger fans to be exact.

Edited August 26, 2022 by CaliBills

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

The lawyer for the plaintiff seems like a classy guy…

 

 

the term “oversharer” comes to mind immediately

[BillsFanSD]

1 minute ago, Awwufelloff said:

This is pretty cut and dry with California state law. Hes on tape admitting to having sex with a 17 year old. That's illegal and a felony if hes over 3 yrs older than she was. There are no if, ands, or buts about it. The sooner we move on from this the better.

Yeah, but honestly, do you really care if a 21 year old has sex with a 17 year old?  I don't.  That's just another Saturday night in literally every town in the United States with any population to speak of.  

 

For full disclosure, I have two kids who are now 24 (son) and 21 (daughter).  One was definitely sexually active in high school and I just assume the other one was.  Not happy about that, but I was sexually active in high school, and so were most people posting in this thread.  It's normal.  

[Captain Caveman]

12 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I don’t know - I think the defence is she asked to lie down so he took her to a room to do so then left. It may be more in depth in the official statements which have not been released.

If that is the defense, are we really to believe that he didn't know / realize she was drunk?

[Mattymafia]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Why did the accuser stop cooperating? 

Didnt she also tamper with evidence?

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

This is incorrect. NFL players get released all the time for any reason.  

True that they get released all the time, but they are nonetheless protected by a collective bargaining agreement.  They are not employees at will.  

[Mattymafia]

4 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Is the commissioner's exempt list an option here? I've heard it mentioned but I'm not aware of the stipulations.

 

Having him suit up and play seems tone deaf. 

He should 100% go on the exempt list. Watson was on it, and his case wasnt a criminal one. 

[babulator]

He has already stained this team and season enough and he needs to go. Just being present or bearing witness to acts of moral depravity such as this without intervening is enough. 

 

Honestly I'm more disappointed in OBD for allowing this to happen at such a momentous stage of our franchise. They knew, and someone still signed off on this anyhow.  I would have liked to be a fly on the wall for that conversation. Alternatively, they did not know which is just unfathomable given the public nature of the reports dating back pre-draft.

 

Either way -1 OBD

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

This————^
 

probably more like 50% or more of civilization. Show of hands, tell me you haven’t had drunk sex in a one night stand setting before in your life. I’m guessing a majority have. 
 

not saying it’s right. And not saying it’s acceptable. But I’d say the majority have. 

Do you want to take a poll on how many people had drunk sex with a minor when they were an adult?

We seem to be conveniently dropping that point off of these excuses at a startling regularity.

I'll start : Not me.

Edited August 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If it's a misdemeanor does that make it less disgusting or do you derive your morality from the ebb and flow of the law?

 

As far as the "statutory rape" part of it goes, personally I don't care if a 21 year old guy has sex with a 17 year old girl that said she was 18+. 

 

Now if she was too drunk to consent, and/or if he was involved with the gang rape part of it that's an entirely different topic. 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

This————^
 

probably more like 50% or more of civilization. Show of hands, tell me you haven’t had drunk sex in a one night stand setting before in your life. I’m guessing a majority have. 
 

not saying it’s right. And not saying it’s acceptable. But I’d say the majority have. 

Does a sober one night stand count? 

[SectionC3]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

In some cases police are unsupportive, even indifferent or hostile, to women reporting sexual violence. I don't know what the case is here but her not cooperating is not automatically a red flag.

Nobody said that it was automatically anything.  I’m just curious why that person things that accuser stopped cooperating. There are other reasons, in addition to those you mentioned, as to why accusers sometimes stop cooperating.  The reasons I’m thinking of are not that the case is BS, for what it’s worth. 

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, Mattymafia said:

Thats what they did with Dodson, and his accusation turned out to be false.

 

Incorrect on both points.  Dodson was not placed on the exempt list, he was suspended 6 games without pay by the league.

Dodson's accusation did not "turn out to be false", it was dropped in a plea bargain where he pled guilty to "disorderly conduct" - not nearly the same thing.

[K-9]

33 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

It smells of

 

(1) no case for criminal charges on rape/ sex assault 

(2) even sued in civil court and found guilty he can file bankruptcy and it doesn't get paid. He said/ sghe said cases are weak.  As a juror I would never convict of all the evidence was she said so given she was drunk and facial recognition is very weak.

 

that leaves only the PR route to get a settlement. They release a recording obtained illegally to try and get a pay out.

 

This is an interesting thought as California law requires the consent of both parties when it comes to recording phone conversations. Unless California law excludes recordings made by law enforcement agencies and if Araiza did not consent, then it was illegally obtained. 

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

True that they get released all the time, but they are nonetheless protected by a collective bargaining agreement.  They are not employees at will.  

That’s correct, but there’s nothing in the CBA that would prevent the Bills from releasing him. They don’t even owe him a reason. 
 

[Mattymafia]

5 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

So her attorney:

1)is going on an unprofessional twitter tirade

2) has posted peoples emails, phone numbers, text conversations, and now his clients personal diary

3) posted a text conversation where he withdrew and “offer” he previously made to Araizas attorney

4) waited until right after Araiza made the team to file the case

5) follows a bunch of pornstars on twitter

 

And yet somehow people are still taking their word at face value and calling for Araizas head

His "love the new picture" tweet to a girl with big fake boobs is so absurd

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

He should 100% go on the exempt list. Watson was on it, and his case wasnt a criminal one. 

Watson's case was investigated for many months by the league and the authorities and involved at least 24 different accusers.  And Watson never went on the exempt list. 

[SectionC3]

I just read the diary entries and saw the photos.  Woof.  New thought: the alleged vic and the parents are at the end of their ropes with all of this, they don’t like the way the SD has acted, and they’re looking to both burn down Araiza and cajole the cops into prosecuting the case.  That is, this may be a leverage play on the SD cops as well.