Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[The Red King]

If I claim, right now, that you punch kittens, does that make you a horrible kitten puncher that should immediately be ostracized?  And if someone comes to your defense, does that make them a monster that doesn't care about kittens?  Of course not.  A lot of people are just saying they want to see the evidence before jumping to conclusions.  That is not the same as hating women.  If the evidence comes out and people are still defending him after it's clear he did all the horrible things he's accused of then yeah, you can lay into those people.

[Wayne Arnold]

48 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Because in this country we start with innocence. 

 

Your question needs to be flipped. They have to be 100% sure of his guilt.  Reasonable doubt in a criminal complaint is 100% innocent.  

 

That's how. 

 

You're confusing running a sports team with the justice system.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

I made a post earlier with a link where the then Erie County DA found a number of inconsistencies with her statements, and the accuser no longer wanting to cooperate with the DA or police, thus the case being dropped. So that would lead me to believe that Kane would be more innocent than guilty. 

Why did the accuser stop cooperating? 

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

This is pretty cut and dry with California state law. Hes on tape admitting to having sex with a 17 year old. That's illegal and a felony if hes over 3 yrs older than she was. There are no if, ands, or buts about it. The sooner we move on from this the better.

But the information about the tapes is just her recollection of what was said?? I asked last night cause I was confused by it I thought snippets were leaked out. If the tape is so cut and dry you’d think the criminal charges would of been filed a long time ago. 

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

The fact that charges seem imminent doesn't seem to bode well for Araiza.

But if I were the Bills, I'd wait to see how much of the evidence I could review.  

 

Agree with both your points.  While I surely don't want to get involved with a lot of the "discussions" going on in this thread my main

interest is the facts (as much as we can gather) and what the Bills will do.

 

What ultimately ends up happening could take a long time and I surely don't need to be a speculator.  It's a bad deal all around.

As of now, as a Buffalo Bills fan I'm just saddened we are going through this.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

There are ifs and buts...  

 

"A statutory rape case is a California “wobbler” offense. This means that the crime can be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the facts of the case."

 

www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/laws/age-of-consent/

If it's a misdemeanor does that make it less disgusting or do you derive your morality from the ebb and flow of the law?

[prissythecat]

12 minutes ago, mannc said:

No, it's not and no you can't.  Players are union members and their employment is subject to a collective bargaining agreement.  They are not "at-will" employees.

 

This is incorrect. NFL players get released all the time for any reason.  

[NickelCity]

Is the commissioner's exempt list an option here? I've heard it mentioned but I'm not aware of the stipulations.

 

Having him suit up and play seems tone deaf. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Yeah I think it is highly likely she was raped.  But I also think it's entirely possible she's misremembering things and her brain is falsely tying him to the rape in a desperate bid to make sense of a traumatic and chaotic thing that happened to her.  She so clearly remembers having sex with him, but then details only get fuzzy after so she wasn't roofied (if she was) until after his involvement.  Again, it's also possible he WAS involved in the rape, but from what I'm seeing there isn't any evidence of that yet.  Would be really strange for him to roofie her only AFTER having sex with her, that's like begging to be caught because her sex with you would be the one thing she's most likely to remember.

 

Weird story. But I am fairly confident I was roofied a long time ago. 

I was at a bar on Thanksgiving with a female friend, and there was a weird guy who kept trying to talk to her. I had only had 3 beers that evening. We both noted that we had actually accidently swapped beers playing darts, but liked what each other were drinking so just kept each others drinks. After about 30 minutes from that time, things become a bit hazy. Then there is a total blank spot where I don't remember getting home. I don't remember the rest of the night in the bar. Not a single conversation. Another round of darts. People I met. I don't remember waking up naked in the spare  bedroom next to her. We had been friends for decades, so we sort of had a little bit of a laugh about it. 

But I have been hospitalized for alcohol poisoning in the past. Was a college athlete and a bit of a recluse/lush in my younger years. I have never ever blacked out in my life. Ever. That is the only time. 

 

It was a bar I was a regular at, so next time I was there I told them what happened. And apparently I was the second person to come to them from that night to report something similar. 

Really scary stuff. But I am glad that we accidently swapped drinks. That situation ended about as well as it could have. 

[mannc]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

But the information about the tapes is just her recollection of what was said?? I asked last night cause I was confused by it I thought snippets were leaked out. If the tape is so cut and dry you’d think the criminal charges would of been filed a long time ago. 

Exactly.  Many here are ready to throw this guy overboard based entirely on what a plaintiff's attorney is saying happened.  Not very smart, or fair. 

[Aussie Joe]

The lawyer for the plaintiff seems like a classy guy…

 

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[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Were the accusations this serious though?

 

I don't recall the incidents with McCoy/Dodson so I'm not saying your wrong, just curious

 

Dodson was not only accused, but actually arrested and charged with misdemeanor domestic violence after being drafted.  The Bills say they investigated thoroughly and were confident it was not domestic violence in their view.    Dodson pled guilty to one charge of disorderly conduct, completed a diversion program, and was suspended for 6 games by the NFL.

 

McCoy was accused of arranging a home invasion that left his ex-girlfriend with horrific photos of her face bloodied and bruised.  Her lawyer was very active trying the case in social media as likely to result in criminal charges as well as a civil lawsuit she filed.  The police did not forward the case for prosecution, as I recall they made statements to the effect that neither side was wholly truthful with investigators.  The civil suit was settled with a confidentiality agreement; there were aspects of it that were possibly no-brianers, like a question of McCoy disabling the security system of the home he owned and she was occupying, therefore not providing a reasonable level of security, so settling doesn't necessarily acknowledge participation in the invasion.  Google "Delicia Cordon Home Invasion" if you want more.

[Yobogoya!]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

And again, almost 100% of the information that's publicly available at this point is coming from a plaintiff's lawyer.

 

Yeah and he's not doing her case any favors. Releasing that diary entry is like... bruh, wtf are you thinking. 

[muppy]

18 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

What's the vibe in San Diego?

to be perfectly honest 2bd has been my focus. I'll look into it though. I know some SDSU alums  I could ask. I would think people are kind of like we here. Basically shocked and none too thrilled. It's  a terrible story by any account Ive heard ya know?

 

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Edited August 26, 2022 by muppy

[1ManRaid]

18 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

I’m not saying one way or the other until all facts come to light. There are instances where people will actually do that. 

 

As I've posted, I've had a friend who was nearly charged with rape based on nothing other than petty teenage girls wanting to break up with him and make him look bad, and had an uncle serve time for false rape charges (it was actually a different uncle who did it) based solely on a petty family grudge.  Both sets of accusers privately admitted the claims were false, so I personally have direct experience false rape claims absolutely do happen.  The perceived seriousness of the claims have no logical bearing on the truth of the claim.

[gobills404]

So her attorney:

1)is going on an unprofessional twitter tirade

2) has posted peoples emails, phone numbers, text conversations, and now his clients personal diary

3) posted a text conversation where he withdrew and “offer” he previously made to Araizas attorney

4) waited until right after Araiza made the team to file the case

5) follows a bunch of pornstars on twitter

 

And yet somehow people are still taking their word at face value and calling for Araizas head

[Captain Caveman]

1 minute ago, NickelCity said:

Is the commissioner's exempt list an option here? I've heard it mentioned but I'm not aware of the stipulations.

 

Having him suit up and play seems tone deaf. 

It is not, the Bills need to step up and make the decision here (which it seems like they already have)

I agree that having him play seems like a bad move.

[mrags]

7 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I mean I get it if your opinion is that any guy who has drunk sex with a girl at a college party is a dirt bag, I won't say that's not valid. 

 

But you'd probably have to jetison 80% of the Bills roster if not the league if you think most of these guys aren't guilty of that act. 

This————^
 

probably more like 50% or more of civilization. Show of hands, tell me you haven’t had drunk sex in a one night stand setting before in your life. I’m guessing a majority have. 
 

not saying it’s right. And not saying it’s acceptable. But I’d say the majority have. 

[Mango]

10 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I don’t know - I think the defence is she asked to lie down so he took her to a room to do so then left. It may be more in depth in the official statements which have not been released.

 

So she wasn't well and had to go lie down? Matt Araiza had sex with a girl who was not well. 

See what I am getting at here. He can't have it both ways. He cannot be a good Samaritan taking care of her, because that means she wasn't able to give proper consent. 

[Mattymafia]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You do realize that the investigation and evidence was gathered long before most people ever heard of him right? He probably had a similar amount of notoriety as the other two players referenced.

He's was the star player of SDSU. Its hard to believe for a punter. But I watched a couple SDSU games that were purely won on him pinning back the opposing teams offense.