Walking Tall Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:45 AM, Ethan in Portland said: And what if Araiza led her into that bedroom to be assaulted as is stated in the lawsuit? Expand Then he is in trouble. But how do you prove he led her to that bedroom knowing what would take place inside? I totally went from, after reading the allegations, to include hearing there was a recorded confession, to believing Araiza was toast to know believing he may have a solid defense. I will now sit back and wait to see what happens. 1 2 2
GoBills808 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:50 AM, Doc said: And she, despite her age, is responsible for drinking and lying about her age. Expand Neither of those are really crimes tho 1
BillsShredder83 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:17 AM, Mr. WEO said: He has no recollection of any of those conversations Expand We cant assume him saying that means he was black out drunk. Dude gets a call of a girl speaking very unnaturally, blatantly asking "did we have sex", he smells cops says, i dont remember (sounds a lot like- i do not recall- aka dont wish to self incriminate). 1
appoo Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:50 AM, Doc said: And she, despite her age, is responsible for drinking and lying about her age. Expand And the punishment for lying about one's age and underage drinking is rape? 1 3
SectionC3 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:49 AM, appoo said: The bills reached out to Jane Doe's lawyer ASAP after he reached out to them. That's a good thing. Expand Assuming they did the job of investigating well.
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:42 AM, nkreed said: On a phone call in which he is not under oath. I think a good defense attorney will state that the question asked was accusatory and that this answer was his way of ending the conversation. If the DA has access to witnesses that say she had been misrepresenting herself, he won't need to have a defense. Expand And a good prosecutor would say Okay his defense is I donโt remember anything, so he wouldnโt remember her telling him or anyone she was 18. he wouldnโt remember asking her her age. she very well could have told him she was underage, and he wouldnโt remember. Those eyewitnesses didnโt have sex with her, he allegedly did. 1
BeastMaster Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:47 AM, GoBills808 said: Yes. He is responsible for not having sex w intoxicated women of questionable age Expand You might wanna check the law out on that one From what has been posted here from actual California law, the burden is on the prosecution if the defendant claims he didn't know she was underage. They must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did know Witnesses saying she was claiming to be of age blows that out of the water
Walking Tall Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:48 AM, SectionC3 said: Maybe. Maybe not. Heโs setting araiza up to avoid liability for the forcible penetration that allegedly occurred inside the house. Itโs early though. Time will tell. Letโs see what the DA does. thatโs a legal analysis. Football analysis includes a PR/distraction component. Not sure araiza makes it to the field tomorrow. This is a big story and a big mess. Itโs early, and he might be cleared. But Iโm not sure the bills will deem him worth the headache. Expand I canโt disagree with you. Someone mentioned the Commissioners exemption list. That may be the best solution moving forward. 1
appoo Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:51 AM, BillsShredder83 said: We cant assume him saying that means he was black out drunk. Dude gets a call of a girl speaking very unnaturally, blatantly asking "did we have sex", he smells cops says, i dont remember (sounds a lot like- i do not recall- aka dont wish to self incriminate). Expand Problem is he admitted to having sex and told her she should get checked out, and when she asked him if he had actual sex with her, is when he turned into a robot
JoPoy88 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:50 AM, Beast said: Then he is in trouble. But how do you prove he led her to that bedroom knowing what would take place inside? I totally went from, after reading the allegations, to include hearing there was a recorded confession, to believing Araiza was toast to know believing he may have a solid defense. I will now sit back and wait to see what happens. Expand I followed the same track as you. 1 2
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:51 AM, appoo said: And the punishment for lying about one's age and underage drinking is rape? Expand โShe was wearing that dress so she deserved itโ 1 3
appoo Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:51 AM, SectionC3 said: Assuming they did the job of investigating well. Expand It's better than what other teams would do.
Doc Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:51 AM, GoBills808 said: Neither of those are really crimes tho Expand True. Neither then should be a guy having sex with a girl who tells him she's 18.
Doc Brown Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:51 AM, appoo said: And the punishment for lying about one's age and underage drinking is rape? Expand He didn't say that. Let's be adults about this. 1 2 1
LabattBlue Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 1:19 AM, Dablitzkrieg said: Over/under on pages? 65.5 Expand ๐๐๐
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:51 AM, BillsShredder83 said: We cant assume him saying that means he was black out drunk. Dude gets a call of a girl speaking very unnaturally, blatantly asking "did we have sex", he smells cops says, i dont remember (sounds a lot like- i do not recall- aka dont wish to self incriminate). Expand He would have to assert that under oath.
Mango Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:50 AM, Doc said: And she, despite her age, is responsible for drinking and lying about her age. Expand Both of which should still protect her from being raped.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 I've read all 63 pages and at least four news articles covering the topic. I'm sufficiently satisfied this guy is scum. At a minimum he took advantage of a drunk girl unable to consent, and at its worst he led her into a room to be repeatedly assaulted. I want no part of him on the team. I dont care or need to care about due process. That's his problem not the Bills'. Cutting him has nothing to do with legal innocence. He's a punter and one of multiple guys that can be replaced with a street free agent or trade. He is not worth one minute of negative press. If McDermott believes what he preaches then he should have cut him a month ago. 3 1 2
Rc2catch Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:52 AM, Beast said: I canโt disagree with you. Someone mentioned the Commissioners exemption list. That may be the best solution moving forward. Expand League is probably gonna jump on this asap. He canโt take the field tomorrow with all this happening tonight. Exempt list basically just sends him home until itโs resolved 1
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:54 AM, BTB said: ๐๐๐ Expand you're welcome!
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