My Current 53

[MiltonWaddams]

41 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

So long as the JAG guy’s name ain’t Guy, guy. 

Assuredly, if so, it would be pronounced G-ee.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

You’re probably right, but there’s also a chance that the Bills already know what Jones can do and since he’d probably retire if he got cut, why risk injury to the 12 year vet.  He’s guaranteed $650k even if he gets cut.  I’m not reading anything into him not playing in preseason other than the Bills are giving younger players every opportunity to take his spot.  

 

People made this argument last year too. They were wrong then. You are wrong now. 

[Ralonzo]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

See, I haven't been watching film, so good assessment, appreciate that. 

 

BTW, are you doing coaches film on NFL+?  Have they repaired last year's downgrade yet, so that you can actually select plays and toggle between end zone and overhead views, and do slo-mo?

 

 

So again, I haven't been watching film but what I've heard on Van Roten vs Mancz is that he's a big step down.  Have you seen anything there?

And apparently Van Roten's experience as a C in NFL games is actually slimmer than Bates so....do we rely on Bates, or look for a backup center in the cutoff bin?

 

 

I don't think the Bills agree with you on the Boettger = JAG guy.  They actually signed him as a ERFA AFTER his injury, so if the intent were to waive him injured, why would they do that?  I don't see anything as changing since the Bills made that decision, it's not like he's been out there getting outplayed by Ford.

 

1. Nah, just caught the rebroadcast on NFLN last night and had enough in the DVR buffer.

2. Looks like Mancz will render things moot, he'll be in the traditional Bates Swiss Army role as his injury is not seen as serious.

3. Anyone knowing (not necessarily executing, but knowing) their assignment was a leg up on Ford in most cases. Boettger, I think he knows his assignments and tries to execute and sometimes succeeds, hence JAG.

[Beck Water]

37 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

1. Nah, just caught the rebroadcast on NFLN last night and had enough in the DVR buffer.

2. Looks like Mancz will render things moot, he'll be in the traditional Bates Swiss Army role as his injury is not seen as serious.

3. Anyone knowing (not necessarily executing, but knowing) their assignment was a leg up on Ford in most cases. Boettger, I think he knows his assignments and tries to execute and sometimes succeeds, hence JAG.

 

I could entirely be wrong, but I didn't think the problem was usually Ford not knowing his assignment.  He just had sloppy technique with his hands and slow feet, so he got beat regularly.

[Beck Water]

On 8/21/2022 at 2:14 PM, marck said:

After yesterdays great performance I can the the complexity of putting together the 53 man initial roster, in this thread I am assuming Tre White is not put on pup and Ike Bottinger is

 

Here we go

 

QB - 2

 

Allen

Keenam

 

RB - 5

Singletary

Cook 
Moss

Blackshear

Jones - ST

Gilliam - FB/ST

 

WR - 7

 

Diggs

Davis

Mckenzie

Shakir

Crowder

Hodgkins

Kumerow - ST

 

TE - 3

 

Knox

Howard

Morris

 

 

OL - 9

 

Dawkins

Bates

Morse

Saffold

Brown

Quessenberry

Doyle

Mancz

Ford

Hart

 

Specialists - 3

 

Ferguson

Bass

Araiza

 

DL - 9

 

Miller 

Oliver

Jones

Rousseau

Basham

Epinesa

Lawson

Settle

Phillips

 

LB - 5

 

Edmunds

Milano

Dodson

Bernard

Matekevich - ST

 

CB - 6

 

White

Jackson

Johnson

Elam

Benford

Neal - ST

 

S - 4

 

Hyde

Poyer

Johnson

Hamlin

 

Your thoughts

 

So I'm gonna take a bit of a different angle - looking at the salary cap

 

I think this is a pretty good starting place, actually.  Changes (indicated in red above)

1) Blackshear -> PS, Gilliam counted as an RB (FB) per Dorsey interview

2) Morris added as a 3rd TE.  I personally think we might see an OJ Howard trade and keep Morris and Sweeney, but, unsure so I kept Howard and Morris for now

3) Ford traded and replaced by Bobby Hart (sorry guys)

 

So now, let's look at which guys who are in the top-51 currently would be gone:

Andre Smith (suspension) - $0.363M (6/17 of $1.03M)

Duke Johnson (cut)           -   0.920M

Greg Van Roten (cut)         -   0.895M

Jordan Miller (cut)              -  0.965M

Cam Lewis (cut)                 -0.895M

Matt Barkley (cut)              -0.920M

 

Current top-51 cap space per Spotrac: $4.156M

Added by the above cuts:                       $4.958M

 

Now we have to look at the next 8 guys who will now count in the 53 man roster:

Tommy Doyle $0.825M

Tyrel Dodson $0.895M

Dane Jackson $0.825M

Damar Hamlin $0.895M

Khalil Shakir  $0.705

Matt Araiza $0.705

Christian Benford $0.705

Isaiah Hodgins $0.705

Quintin Morris $0.705

(Ike Boettger won't count against the roster, but his salary will still be paid and will count against the cap, so we will have 54 players counting against the cap)

Need to subtract from our cap space: $6.965M

 

Estimated cap space remaining on the 53 man roster: $2.15M

 

I give up on understanding whether or not the team needs to include the practice squad this year and how many people can be on it. 

I googled.  But, if it's 16 players and we're relatively evenly split between rookies, players with more than 2 years experience, and players who draw the maximum pay, we would need something like $4.17M for the practice squad.

 

If we were to trade OJ Howard and keep Tommy Sweeney on the roster, that would save $1.98M for Howard and cost $0.965M for Sweeney, so save $1M

 

Beane has said in the past that he likes to go into the season with ~$3-5M to cover any need to sign injury replacements.  So he's gotta find a couple of million somewhere.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Beck Water

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I could entirely be wrong, but I didn't think the problem was usually Ford not knowing his assignment.  He just had sloppy technique with his hands and slow feet, so he got beat regularly.

And yet he survived 3years in the league!

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So I'm gonna take a bit of a different angle - looking at the salary cap

 

I think this is a pretty good starting place, actually.  Changes (indicated in red above)

1) Blackshear -> PS, Gilliam counted as an RB (FB) per Dorsey interview

2) Morris added as a 3rd TE.  I personally think we might see an OJ Howard trade and keep Morris and Sweeney, but, unsure so I kept Howard and Morris for now

3) Ford traded and replaced by Bobby Hart (sorry guys)

 

So now, let's look at which guys who are in the top-51 currently would be gone:

Andre Smith (suspension) - $0.363M (6/17 of $1.03M)

Duke Johnson (cut)           -   0.920M

Greg Van Roten (cut)         -   0.895M

Jordan Miller (cut)              -  0.965M

Cam Lewis (cut)                 -0.895M

Matt Barkley (cut)              -0.920M

 

Current top-51 cap space per Spotrac: $4.156M

Added by the above cuts:                       $4.958M

 

Now we have to look at the next 8 guys who will now count in the 53 man roster:

Tommy Doyle $0.825M

Tyrel Dodson $0.895M

Dane Jackson $0.825M

Damar Hamlin $0.895M

Khalil Shakir  $0.705

Matt Araiza $0.705

Christian Benford $0.705

Isaiah Hodgins $0.705

Quintin Morris $0.705

(Ike Boettger won't count against the roster, but his salary will still be paid and will count against the cap, so we will have 54 players counting against the cap)

Need to subtract from our cap space: $6.965M

 

Estimated cap space remaining on the 53 man roster: $2.15M

 

I give up on understanding whether or not the team needs to include the practice squad this year and how many people can be on it. 

I googled.  But, if it's 16 players and we're relatively evenly split between rookies, players with more than 2 years experience, and players who draw the maximum pay, we would need something like $4.17M for the practice squad.

 

If we were to trade OJ Howard and keep Tommy Sweeney on the roster, that would save $1.98M for Howard and cost $0.965M for Sweeney, so save $1M

 

Beane has said in the past that he likes to go into the season with ~$3-5M to cover any need to sign injury replacements.  So he's gotta find a couple of million somewhere.

 

 

Thanks. Really good breakdown. It's a good point about the practice squad and one I had totally forgotten. I think around $4m is just about right. I have been thinking Beane was over-egging it saying he might need to make a move but it is because I forgot about the PS. He repeated again yesterday that he would likely do a restructure, but even in addition the trade OJ Howard option must be intriguing to them. I wonder if they have made some calls? Even if you only got a 7th back as a salary cap dump for a guy who has underwhelmed it makes some sense. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by GunnerBill

[EmotionallyUnstable]

21 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

People made this argument last year too. They were wrong then. You are wrong now. 

Yea, but, people don’t forget!!!!

 

 

Cut his A**!!!!

[Airseven]

QB Allen

QB Keenum

RB Singletary

RB Moss

RB Cook

RB Jones

FB Gilliam

WR Diggs

WR Davis

WR McKenzie

WR Crowder

WR Shakir

WR Kumerow

TE Knox

TE Howard

TE Sweeney

TE Morris

OT Dawkins

OT Brown

OT Quessenberry

OT Doyle

G Saffold

G Bates

G Mancz

C Morse

DE Miller

DE Rousseau

DE Epenesa

DE Basham

DT Oliver

DT Jones

DT Settle

DT Phillips

DT Bryant

LB Edmunds

LB Milano

LB Dodson

LB Bernard

LB Matakevich

LB Spector

CB White

CB Jackson

CB Johnson

CB Elam

CB Benford

CB Neal

S Hyde

S Poyer

S Johnson

S Hamlin

LS Ferguson

K Bass

P Araiza

 

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Airseven
Forgot RG

[LabattBlue]

Not only do I need my own thread, it is very important that I refer to myself in the 3rd person.  
 

Still a work in progress. Need to see preseason game #3. 
 

Josh Allen

52 other players

 

To quote Ron R…”I am very very close to finalizing the rest of my roster”.  

[Airseven]

You can probably add Bobby Hart. All signs are pointing to that.

[hemma]

Please add in Hodgins before the ST guys start hogging all the bench space.

 

Thank you

[mushypeaches]

Also, Blackshear looks to be RB 1 given all the pre-season excitement 

[LabattBlue]

I am close to adding Miller, Diggs and Hyde, but not until I pull an all night film study. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by BTB

[StHustle]

Punt God, Bass and Ferguson are probably safe options out the gate 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

Oh yeah...IN

[Freddie's Dead]

Be sure to cut Shaq Lawson in favor of Beach Boy...

[hemma]

3 minutes ago, BTB said:

I am close to adding Miller, Diggs and Hyde, but not until I pull an all night film study. 

Miller has been invisible in both games.  

 

Never mind.  I don’t want to influence your picks or anything.

[LabattBlue]

Just now, StHustle said:

Punt God, Bass and Ferguson are probably safe options out the gate 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

Oh yeah...IN

Unless McD buys into Schoop’s ramblings, and decides that will be no kicks this season.  No punts, no FG’s & no EP’s. 

[No_Matter_What]

Are you sure about Allen? He was benched last week.

[LabattBlue]

36 minutes ago, BTB said:

Not only do I need my own thread, it is very important that I refer to myself in the 3rd person.  
 

Still a work in progress. Need to see preseason game #3. 
 

Josh Allen

52 other players

 

To quote Ron R…”I am very very close to finalizing the rest of my roster”.  

Boo to my super important roster prediction being merged with someone else's uninformed guesses.  
 

I need a LAMP.  I want a LAMP.  Me me me…it’s all about me!