Keep Haack as Holding Specialist (EDIT: Goodnight Sweet Prince)

[BringBackFergy]

14 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Oh god can we not with this?? It was ridiculous throughout the offseason, rehashing it on every miss is just insufferable 

 

12 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

Stop it.

3 points is 3 points.  The sooner you stop pointing the finger at heat, injuries, Dorsey, Josh, etc., the quicker we can re-evaluate our holding game.

 

That miss doesn't happen last year. Bass is automatic at that distance.

 

Sorry it bothers you.

[DJB]

Somehow I need to get Tremaine Edmunds in here as well and really see some explosive stuff

[Son of a K-Gun]

18 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

 

3 points is 3 points.  The sooner you stop pointing the finger at heat, injuries, Dorsey, Josh, etc., the quicker we can re-evaluate our holding game.

 

That miss doesn't happen last year. Bass is automatic at that distance.

 

Sorry it bothers you.

 

It was tipped at the line, wasn't the hold.

[without a drought]

21 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

It was tipped at the line, wasn't the hold.

So now they need a kicker too. They're screwed.

[BringBackFergy]

26 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

It was tipped at the line, wasn't the hold.

Could have sworn Bass talked to him right after the kick and wasn't happy with the hold.  Find link to "tipped" ball if you can.

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, without a drought said:

So now they need a kicker too. They're screwed.

Yeah, a taller one. 

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Could have sworn Bass talked to him right after the kick and wasn't happy with the hold.  Find link to "tipped" ball if you can.

 

They might have just discussed if the ball was touched.

 

It obviously was because the ball had zero rotation because of the blockers fingers.  

[What a Tuel]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They might have just discussed if the ball was touched.

 

It obviously was because the ball had zero rotation because of the blockers fingers.  

 

The hold looked good to me. If you slow down the video to 0.25 in the youtube settings one of the fins players hands certainly look like it got up there at the same spot and time as the ball. Just slightly but enough to change the trajectory.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The hold looked good to me. If you slow down the video to 0.25 in the youtube settings one of the fins players hands certainly look like it got up there at the same spot and time as the ball. Just slightly but enough to change the trajectory.

 

 

 

Chris Brown on the sideline heard the players say it was tipped.

[Son of a K-Gun]

58 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Could have sworn Bass talked to him right after the kick and wasn't happy with the hold.  Find link to "tipped" ball if you can.

 

From Joe B's article in The Athletic...

 

Quote

Play 4: 4th quarter, fourth-and-4, 14:12 remaining — After a stalled drive, the Bills wanted to salvage some points and sent the usually reliable field goal unit out to give the Bills a 20-14 lead. The attempt was partially tipped at the line of scrimmage, leading to a wobbly miss wide left.

 

https://theathletic.com/3628838/2022/09/25/bills-dolphins-observations/

[MJS]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

 

3 points is 3 points.  The sooner you stop pointing the finger at heat, injuries, Dorsey, Josh, etc., the quicker we can re-evaluate our holding game.

 

That miss doesn't happen last year. Bass is automatic at that distance.

 

Sorry it bothers you.

The hold was perfect.

Edited September 27, 2022 by MJS

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Thr hold was perfect.

 

Yeah, bass kicked it with like the middle part of his foot.  Not sure if he planted wrong or what.  

1 hour ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

It was tipped at the line, wasn't the hold.

 

I think it was tipped too because the kick was not great.

[cd1]

Just the kick...  Tipped!

 

Slow the speed .25

 

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx82aaelstYQmQ3_HhS9T7PpD7fscr3L1m

Edited September 27, 2022 by cd1

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/miami-dolphins-buffalo-bills-week-3-complete-observations

 

-- The Dolphins caught a break, which would prove monumental in the end, when Tyler Bass badly missed a 38-yard field goal attempt to keep the score 17-14.

 

The hold was absolutely horrible.

 

 

That kick was offline regardless...even before the tip it was going to miss based on how it was moving off his foot. It appears his foot placement was off as his follow through was to the left instead of straight.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

My friend said Bass missed the kick and looked weird because the ball hit Martin's hand on the hold.  Can anyone else confirm or is there video evidence of this happening? I can't seem to find a replay of the miss online.  He said it was really inexcusable.

The hold looked pretty crappy to me...he had his palm on the tip of the ball. May have led to the lower trajectory/tip.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Chris Brown on the sideline heard the players say it was tipped.

So you’re saying that the cause of the missed kick might’ve been the 38* offensive linemen that were injured and not a guy who is in his 10th** season of holding for kicks in the NFL? Interesting…….

 

* hyperbole
** not hyperbole 

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

The hold looked pretty crappy to me...he had his palm on the tip of the ball. May have led to the lower trajectory/tip.

 

Snap wasn't great either....he had to kind of reach up and away for it. Regardless even without the tip Bass was going to miss that kick based on the follow through of his foot to the left and the initial trajectory of the ball coming off his foot. But that could have been related to the extra time on the hold to get it down...that is one of the most timing based plays in all of sports...any little deviation can cause bad results.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Snap wasn't great either....he had to kind of reach up and away for it.

 

I watch the snap of every kick.  There has been a number of snaps this year a little high.

I've seen a number into the holder's body.  Too far to the right if looking from behind.

I'm assigning no blame to any of the 3 (snapper/holder/kicker) on the miss, it seems they need to keep working on this.

The whole process just doesn't look as smooth as I have seen in the past.

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I watch the snap of every kick.  There has been a number of snaps this year a little high.

I've seen a number into the holder's body.  Too far to the right if looking from behind.

I'm assigning no blame to any of the 3 (snapper/holder/kicker) on the miss, it seems they need to keep working on this.

The whole process just doesn't look as smooth as I have seen in the past.

 

It all looked a little off for sure...and Bass simply mishit the ball...his kicking foot was pointing left on the follow through instead of straight, that was a miss even without it being tipped.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[TheBrownBear]

34 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It all looked a little off for sure...and Bass simply mishit the ball...his kicking foot was pointing left on the follow through instead of straight, that was a miss even without it being tipped.

Yep.  Most everything about it looked bad to me.  Suspect snap, suspect hold, suspect kick = badly missed (possibly tipped) FG.