ChiGoose Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:01 AM, Doc said: Because Pence wasn't a threat at all to Biden politically. If not a way to say "see, we don't have to charge every Republican!" He "obstructed" because he felt that he was entitled to it because a President (and only a President) can declassify anything he wants. That's the difference between him and everyone else. Different rules for different people. If anything, everyone else should be charged and he shouldn't. And again, for the millionth time, there's little difference between Trump not giving it back when asked for it versus Biden knowingly having it and keeping it for years. The spirit of the law is to prevent people from using it for nefarious purposes. Otherwise it's just a property crime. Expand Oh buddy. You still think whether or not the documents were classified impacts Trump’s right to retain them after his presidency? 1
BillStime Posted May 23, 2024 Author Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/22/2024 at 10:29 PM, Doc said: Because he wasn't President at the time he took them. Expand Was he not VP?
Doc Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:07 AM, ChiGoose said: Oh buddy. You still think whether or not the documents were classified impacts Trump’s right to retain them after his presidency? Expand So you're saying that if he declassified them first, it would still be a big deal? That NARA absolutely had to get these unclassified documents back within 2 years of Trump leaving Office, necessitating armed agents raiding MAL and allowed to used deadly force if necessary? Look, it's apparent that a major reason why these people take this stuff is for memoirs later on, like Biden did for his $8M deal with the ghostwriter. Again what I care about is what was done with the information. If there's evidence he (or anyone else) used it for nefarious purposes, string them up. But it appears that Smith and his cohorts have cocked this case up. And then there's Cannon to do her best Merchan. On 5/23/2024 at 4:13 AM, BillStime said: Was he not VP? Expand He was. Did you see his poll numbers?
BillStime Posted May 23, 2024 Author Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:17 AM, Doc said: He was. Did you see his poll numbers? Expand Don't change the subject. He was VP. 1
ChiGoose Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:17 AM, Doc said: So you're saying that if he declassified them first, it would still be a big deal? That NARA absolutely had to get these unclassified documents back within 2 years of Trump leaving Office, necessitating armed agents raiding MAL and allowed to used deadly force if necessary? Look, it's apparent that a major reason why these people take this stuff is for memoirs later on, like Biden did for his $8M deal with the ghostwriter. Again what I care about is what was done with the information. If there's evidence he (or anyone else) used it for nefarious purposes, string them up. But it appears that Smith and his cohorts have cocked this case up. And then there's Cannon to do her best Merchan. He was. Did you see his poll numbers? Expand If he declassified them first, it would still be a big deal. There were national security documents within Trump’s cache. They tried to negotiate with him for almost a year. It was only after he had his people hide the documents from his own lawyer and the try to destroy the evidence of their actions that the warrant was issued. This would be a slam dunk obvious move in any similar situation. Someone stole things, refused to return them, and then when they finally said the returned them, they were actually lying. How could you *not* execute a search warrant at that point? Also, if what you truly cared about was what was done with the info, you wouldn’t bring up Biden since Hur said that none of the classified info ended up in the book or was documented in any discussions with the ghostwriters. 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:22 AM, ChiGoose said: If he declassified them first, it would still be a big deal. There were national security documents within Trump’s cache. They tried to negotiate with him for almost a year. It was only after he had his people hide the documents from his own lawyer and the try to destroy the evidence of their actions that the warrant was issued. This would be a slam dunk obvious move in any similar situation. Someone stole things, refused to return them, and then when they finally said the returned them, they were actually lying. How could you *not* execute a search warrant at that point? Also, if what you truly cared about was what was done with the info, you wouldn’t bring up Biden since Hur said that none of the classified info ended up in the book or was documented in any discussions with the ghostwriters. Expand There you go debunking conspiracy theories with facts again. Wtf. 1
Doc Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:22 AM, ChiGoose said: If he declassified them first, it would still be a big deal. There were national security documents within Trump’s cache. They tried to negotiate with him for almost a year. It was only after he had his people hide the documents from his own lawyer and the try to destroy the evidence of their actions that the warrant was issued. This would be a slam dunk obvious move in any similar situation. Someone stole things, refused to return them, and then when they finally said the returned them, they were actually lying. How could you *not* execute a search warrant at that point? Also, if what you truly cared about was what was done with the info, you wouldn’t bring up Biden since Hur said that none of the classified info ended up in the book or was documented in any discussions with the ghostwriters. Expand Regardless of what didn't end up in the book, you not only can't knowingly keep classified material, you can't share it with unauthorized people. Everyone knows he knew he had classified material strewn around his house and we all know why the ghostwriter destroyed evidence after the investigation started. So if you want to go after Trump for "obstruction" because you're just out to get him, you'll have to agree that they should go after Biden. But you'll continue to claim "it's different." It's not. Not that it really matters anymore, or ever did in my opinion because, as I've been saying all along, I wouldn't charge anyone.
daz28 Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:36 AM, Doc said: Regardless of what didn't end up in the book, you not only can't knowingly keep classified material, you can't share it with unauthorized people. Everyone knows he knew he had classified material strewn around his house and we all know why the ghostwriter destroyed evidence after the investigation started. So if you want to go after Trump for "obstruction" because you're just out to get him, you'll have to agree that they should go after Biden. But you'll continue to claim "it's different." It's not. Not that it really matters anymore, or ever did in my opinion because, as I've been saying all along, I wouldn't charge anyone. Expand So you'd only charge someone AFTER they were caught disseminating the stolen classified documents? Am I getting this down right???
Doc Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:41 AM, daz28 said: So you'd only charge someone AFTER they were caught disseminating the stolen classified documents? Am I getting this down right??? Expand Nope. Biden disseminated it. I'm not calling for charges against him, am I?
daz28 Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:45 AM, Doc said: Nope. Biden disseminated it. I'm not calling for charges against him, am I? Expand So disseminating stolen classified documents is fine, and shouldn't be a crime? Remember, we can look back on your opinion of Hillary's server.
Doc Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:51 AM, daz28 said: So disseminating stolen classified documents is fine, and shouldn't be a crime? Remember, we can look back on your opinion of Hillary's server. Expand So Biden should be charged with a crime? Am I getting this down right??? 1
daz28 Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:54 AM, Doc said: So Biden should be charged with a crime? Am I getting this down right??? Expand We've already covered that hours ago, so instead of going back to the question that I have already answered yes, could you please answer mine? I'll add another one, has your opinion of how classified documents cases are handled changed since Hillary's servergate??
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 A Fascist like Trump cares nothing about the security of USA
Pokebball Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 3:44 AM, Doc said: Not false at all. Biden took classified information he never had any business having. He knowingly kept them. He kept them in a wholly insecure location. And he shared some with his ghostwriter. You can deny it all you want, but everyone, even daz28, knows it's true. But he's senile and to charge someone with something you need to be absolutely sure you can get a guilty verdict. Because in the history of the US, there have never been any "not guilty" verdicts (apparently ). Expand Biden's above the law 1
Pokebball Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 2:09 AM, ChiGoose said: Truth hurts. Expand Prejudices are what fools use for reason
Doc Posted May 24, 2024 Posted May 24, 2024 On 5/23/2024 at 4:58 AM, daz28 said: We've already covered that hours ago, so instead of going back to the question that I have already answered yes, could you please answer mine? I'll add another one, has your opinion of how classified documents cases are handled changed since Hillary's servergate?? Expand We've already covered that hours ago as well. Yes disseminating stolen classified documents is a crime. What are you trying to get at here considering Biden disseminated classified information? And again, the difference between Trump having classified material and the others is he was President. Presidents have special privileges that others do not.
ChiGoose Posted May 24, 2024 Posted May 24, 2024 On 5/24/2024 at 2:07 AM, Doc said: We've already covered that hours ago as well. Yes disseminating stolen classified documents is a crime. What are you trying to get at here considering Biden disseminated classified information? And again, the difference between Trump having classified material and the others is he was President. Presidents have special privileges that others do not. Expand Do you believe that the President of the United States can designate any document they want as a personal record?
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