Convicted felon Donald Trump stole top secret nuclear docs - greatest security risk in US history

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Who cares?

 

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

How can you say that ?

 

It's the  greatest security risk in US history !

 

 

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LOCK HER UP

 

[BillStime]

 

[BillsFanNC]

I hope they have those nuclear codes back under the control of our current POTUS dementia patient. 

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I hope they have those nuclear codes back under the control of our current POTUS dementia patient. 

👆🤡 

 

Trump Gave Classified Info To Russians During White House Visit

 

Sit this one out DR

[BillStime]

Guy is nuts

 

 

[Tiberius]

[Tiberius]

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

 

Literally - ETTD

 

When will the idiots just admit it and move on from MAGA?

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Literally - ETTD

 

When will the idiots just admit it and move on from MAGA?

 

 

I think they got a wake up

call last night. But let’s not underestimate their stupidity 

[Doc]

Anyone still think Don's gonna get indicted over this?

[ChiGoose]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

Anyone still think Don's gonna get indicted over this?

Better than even odds. They have him dead to rights. Probably the most slam dunk case a prosecutor could ask for. 

[Doc]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

Better than even odds. They have him dead to rights. Probably the most slam dunk case a prosecutor could ask for. 

 

We'll see.  They'll probably come to an agreement...so he can run against DeSantis.

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

We'll see.  They'll probably come to an agreement...so he can run against DeSantis.

I’m not sure what incentive there would be for DoJ to accept a plea. Like I said, this is the easiest case they could ask for.
 

His lawyers even admitted he committed the crime in the pleadings. 

[Doc]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

I’m not sure what incentive there would be for DoJ to accept a plea. Like I said, this is the easiest case they could ask for.
 

His lawyers even admitted he committed the crime in the pleadings. 

 

It goes above Merry's head.  But again, we'll see.

[Gene Frenkle]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

"the greatest security risk in US history"

 

 

 

Soooo … that means Trump WASN’T selling nuclear secrets to our enemies, right? Never Trump, hardest hit.

 

Interesting how we see this story from WaPo AFTER the midterm election. Granted, Trump was not on the ballot HOWEVER, plenty of candidates he endorsed were.

 

Sort of like the convenient timing around the Hunter Biden laptop story. Before the election, it was RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION then after the election, OOPS, it was a real story and there is likely something there but moving on.

 

Seeing this from WaPo a week after the midterms. Typical.

 

 

From WaPo:

 

That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.

 

No kidding.

 

The people familiar with the matter cautioned that the investigation is ongoing, that no final determinations have been made, and that it is possible additional information could emerge that changes investigators’ understanding of Trump’s motivations. But they said the evidence collected over a period of months indicates the primary explanation for potentially criminal conduct was Trump’s ego and intransigence.

 

Right.

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/15/wapo-quietly-admits-fbi-found-nothin-in-raid-of-trumps-home-conveniently-after-the-election/

 

Well, that makes it completely ok. I mean if he said he just wanted to have them because he would miss them...

 

And if he says he totally wasn't going to sell them. I don't know why, but I believe him! I mean, he's never lied before.

[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

"the greatest security risk in US history"

 

 

 

Soooo … that means Trump WASN’T selling nuclear secrets to our enemies, right? Never Trump, hardest hit.

 

Interesting how we see this story from WaPo AFTER the midterm election. Granted, Trump was not on the ballot HOWEVER, plenty of candidates he endorsed were.

 

Sort of like the convenient timing around the Hunter Biden laptop story. Before the election, it was RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION then after the election, OOPS, it was a real story and there is likely something there but moving on.

 

Seeing this from WaPo a week after the midterms. Typical.

 

 

From WaPo:

 

That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.

 

No kidding.

 

The people familiar with the matter cautioned that the investigation is ongoing, that no final determinations have been made, and that it is possible additional information could emerge that changes investigators’ understanding of Trump’s motivations. But they said the evidence collected over a period of months indicates the primary explanation for potentially criminal conduct was Trump’s ego and intransigence.

 

Right.

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/15/wapo-quietly-admits-fbi-found-nothin-in-raid-of-trumps-home-conveniently-after-the-election/

 

It doesn't matter for what purpose he took them, mere possession of them post-presidency is a crime.

[Demongyz]

4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

It doesn't matter for what purpose he took them, mere possession of them post-presidency is a crime.

Do Hillary next!

 

It's all trash you know.  Just 1 side using the government to lock up their opponents.

 

Didn't see Donald lock Hillary up did you?

[ChiGoose]

42 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Do Hillary next!

 

It's all trash you know.  Just 1 side using the government to lock up their opponents.

 

Didn't see Donald lock Hillary up did you?

Sure thing!

 

There are two key differences between Hillary and Trump when it comes to possession of government documents. 
 

1. At the time, Hillary was a government employee with the appropriate security clearance to view the information. Trump was a private citizen with no security clearance. 
 

2. The confidential information on Hillary’s server appeared to reach there unintentionally. The classification markings were generally way down on the email chains and it would be hard to overcome a defense of her not knowing they were there. Trump was told by NARA that he had no right to the documents and his lawyers signed documents saying he had returned all of the documents when he really hadn’t. Intent is very easy to infer there. 
 

The DoJ found that while Hillary lacked intent, she was recklessly careless. However, there have only been a handful of cases in history in which the DoJ secured a guilty verdict in a case like this on gross negligence. All of those cases are essentially things like throwing documents in a dumpster instead of shredding them or accidentally taking documents and leaving them in your buddy’s office desk drawer while you go out partying. 

As a government employee with appropriate clearance, Hillary had the right to access the information but how she did it was improper. 
 

As a private citizen with no government clearance (presidents don’t actually get security clearance), Trump had no possessory right to the documents. 
 

It would be near impossible for the DoJ to win a guilty verdict against Hillary given the facts. 
 

It should be a slam dunk to get one against Trump. 

Edited November 16, 2022 by ChiGoose

[Demongyz]

5 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Sure thing!

 

There are two key differences between Hillary and Trump when it comes to possession of government documents. 
 

1. At the time, Hillary was a government employee with the appropriate security clearance to view the information. Trump was a private citizen with no security clearance. 
 

2. The confidential information on Hillary’s server appeared to reach there unintentionally. The classification markings were generally way down on the email chains and it would be hard to overcome a defense of her not knowing they were there. Trump was told by NARA that he had no right to the documents and his lawyers signed documents saying he had returned all of the documents when he really hadn’t. Intent is very easy to infer there. 
 

The DoJ found that while Hillary lacked intent, she was recklessly careless. However, there have only been a handful of cases in history in which the DoJ secured a guilty verdict in a case like this on gross negligence. All of those cases are essentially things like throwing documents in a dumpster instead of shredding them or accidentally taking documents and leaving them in your buddy’s office desk drawer while you go out partying. 

As a government employee with appropriate clearance, Hillary had the right to access the information but how she did it was improper. 
 

As a private citizen with no government clearance (presidents don’t actually get security clearance), Trump had no possessory right to the documents. 
 

It would be near impossible for the DoJ to win a guilty verdict against Hillary given the facts. 
 

It should be a slam dunk to get one against Trump. 

Eh... a Clinton is disgusting in every way.  Trump is disgusting in every way.

 

It's hard to say.

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Eh... a Clinton is disgusting in every way.  Trump is disgusting in every way.

 

It's hard to say.

They can both be disgusting (I didn’t vote for either) and still have different legal exposure. 
 

I personally think a private citizen stealing government documents is pretty bad.