Doctor on Buffalo Fanatics discussing Tre White recovery - link removed

[Big Turk]

 Considering the Bills have erred on the side of caution even with relatively minor injuries like pulls, etc, I would not expect Tre to be back until there is no doubt he is healthy enough to go without having any issues with the knee.

 

No way they are going to risk rushing him back when it's another 9 months if he reinjures it.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Big Turk

[Big Blitz]

On Godwin, yesterday:

 

 

 

But, the question now is, will he be ready for Week 1 when the Bucs travel to face the Dallas Cowboys to start the new season?

 

He might, but he might not, and according to head coach Todd Bowles, the team isn't prioritizing their want for No. 14 to be in the game in Week 1, over the player and team's long-term needs. 

 

"He doesn't have to be ready," Bowles said about his star receiver. "We want him for the long haul. We don't want him running around, looking good, and then getting hurt...We're not rushing him by no means."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/buccaneers/news/buccaneers-not-pressing-chris-godwin-to-play-week-1

 

He was never placed on the PUP list.  Tre was.  

Edited August 11, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

Is there any data that we can use to understand what Chris Godwin is trying to do? Is it even possible to come back from an ACL and MCL repair in only seven months? Seems crazy. Any precedent on this? Any info on Godwin’s health outlook from your POV? — Angelo S.

 

There are a few general guidelines and rules of thumb when evaluating wide receivers who are coming back from ACL injuries:

 

The younger the athlete is, the better chance they have to return to their pre-injury level

 

In the first year back they are at a much higher risk of injury — not just the knee, but the surrounding muscles (hamstring, quad, groin)

 

Expect a drop in performance in the first season back, but many return to their pre-injury level in the second season

 

When there is additional damage (which is the case with Godwin, as he also tore the MCL), the recovery typically takes longer, and that means more time to get back to 100%

 

The risk of re-injury is significantly higher in the first nine months following surgery, so playing before then is a huge risk

 

So what does all of this mean for Chris Godwin? He underwent surgery almost exactly seven months ago and just stepped foot on the practice field for the first time. Godwin is wearing a brace on his right knee. He says he feels great, and his doctors believe he has made enough progress to ramp up his activity level. I’m OK with all of this, but the Bucs need to bring him along slowly.

 

Playing in September would be a huge risk as he won’t hit the nine-month mark until Week 5. Godwin seems to be right where he needs to be, he just shouldn’t play in a game until October. It’s not just his knee that is at risk; we often see players suffer a muscular strain soon after returning. Getting strength back in the legs is a crucial part of rehab, and it can take over a year for that to happen. 

 

https://theathletic.com/3486813/2022/08/08/nfl-injury-mailbag-pumping-the-brakes-on-chris-godwin-dalvin-cook-and-more/

[buffalostu2]

14 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Making a prognosis on the basis of what?  News reports?  I'm glad he's not my doctor.

 

He is not prescribing treatment, he is just analyzing based on what he sees and his knowledge of the recovery process.  Isn't that the same thing everyone of us does on this forum except we don't have a related degree? 

 

If you listen to him on a weekly basis, he does a good job of analyzing injuries based on how they occur.  Is it speculation, yes, but more accurate that what flies around this forum from us.

[26TrapDraw]

12 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

I’m a doc. Everyone is different when it comes to recovery from any injury. I think Week 1 is a pipe dream unless Tre has had a remarkable recovery and they are comfortable giving him a few reps to start to come back. This staff is appropriately conservative when it comes to recovery from injuries so I’m not concerned at all they will rush him back too quick.

 

 

Thanks for the insight Doctor. I have these painful bumps on my Wedding Tackle. Any Advice?

[Warcodered]

Just now, BeefCurtns said:

Thanks for the insight Doctor. I have these painful bumps on my Wedding Tackle. Any Advice?

Probably going to have to amputate.

[26TrapDraw]

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Probably going to have to amputate.

Hope he's good with small scalpels.

[RunTheBall]

6 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:

Thanks for the insight Doctor. I have these painful bumps on my Wedding Tackle. Any Advice?

Monkey pox. Wear a glove

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I removed the link as many pointed out reasonably that a random doctor watching some video is not a great means for judging Tre’s recovery. Sorry for the waste of time post.

 

Dude, your OP has no content aside from the link, so if you're going to pull the link why not delete the thread altogether?  The link is quoted in several posts anyway. 

 

It's a point that Buffalo Fanatics is a fan show and a random doc with the handle @ThighDoctor on twitter isn't 1) giving us his credentials to judge ACL recovery and 2) is making a judgement from a couple quick clips of Tre - and when we see Tre out on the practice field doing sprints or jump downs or whatever, we have no clue whether those are the first activities that he did on his knee that day, or whether he already did a couple hours of PT and a leg workout - and that matters to interpreting what you see.

 

But it's still valid to hear about the little observations on technique while running and jumping not being normal yet for Tre'

 

 

5 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Monkey pox. Wear a glove

 

How about a tube sock?

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Who was the doctor?  Was it David “The San Diego Butcher” Chao?

 

Nah, some dude calling himself @ThighDoctor on the Twitters. 

 

Can't find anything else about his background other than he says he's a "thigh specialist"

 

He seems to make some decent observations, like pointing out that while Jordan Poyer has been seen just wearing a sleeve on the sidelines, he's back to wearing a big 'ol brace when working out on the side field.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Beck Water

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude, your OP has no content aside from the link, so if you're going to pull the link why not delete the thread altogether?  The link is quoted in several posts anyway. 

 

It's a point that Buffalo Fanatics is a fan show and a random doc with the handle @ThighDoctor on twitter isn't 1) giving us his credentials to judge ACL recovery and 2) is making a judgement from a couple quick clips of Tre - and when we see Tre out on the practice field doing sprints or jump downs or whatever, we have no clue whether those are the first activities that he did on his knee that day, or whether he already did a couple hours of PT and a leg workout - and that matters to interpreting what you see.

 

But it's still valid to hear about the little observations on technique while running and jumping not being normal yet for Tre'

 

 

 

How about a tube sock?

 

Nah, some dude calling himself @ThighDoctor on the Twitters. 

 

Can't find anything else about his background other than he says he's a "thigh specialist"

 

He seems to make some decent observations, like pointing out that while Jordan Poyer has been seen just wearing a sleeve on the sidelines, he's back to wearing a big 'ol brace when working out on the side field.

@Thighspecialist is Watson seeking massage therapist IG account

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Sounds like he’s right on track to practice soon. My prediction all along has been practicing in august with no setbacks. Then we go from there. If everything goes well there’s no reason he won’t be on the field week 1 in some capacity. 

 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Royale with Cheese]

What I don't understand about the theory of letting him sit longer to make sure his knee is good....

 

If the ligament is healed 100%, it can't heal anymore.  So if it's 100% right now, what would the purpose be to have him sit another 8 weeks?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

What I don't understand about the theory of letting him sit longer to make sure his knee is good....

 

If the ligament is healed 100%, it can't heal anymore.  So if it's 100% right now, what would the purpose be to have him sit another 8 weeks?

None at all. The best thing for White is getting over the mental hurdles of playing after the injury. You only do that by playing. I think he’ll practice for 2-3 weeks and the the Bills will make a decision. 4 week IR is possible but with no setbacks they could decide to just rotate him into the lineup slowly. Maybe 10 snaps week 1, 15 week 2, 25 week 3 and so on…

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

None at all. The best thing for White is getting over the mental hurdles of playing after the injury. You only do that by playing. I think he’ll practice for 2-3 weeks and the the Bills will make a decision. 4 week IR is possible but with no setbacks they could decide to just rotate him into the lineup slowly. Maybe 10 snaps week 1, 15 week 2, 25 week 3 and so on…

 

I think he will too.  Probably put him on a pitch count in the first game or two for cardio reasons.  

 

I'm willing to bet a dollar he's suited up week 1.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

What I don't understand about the theory of letting him sit longer to make sure his knee is good....

 

If the ligament is healed 100%, it can't heal anymore.  So if it's 100% right now, what would the purpose be to have him sit another 8 weeks?

 

I think the word “healed” would have to be defined. It’s a matter of degrees when it comes to strengthening the ACL and surrounding muscle groups, I suppose. Our son tore his ACL and MCL in HS football. I was shocked by the atrophy and how quickly his leg visibly shrank.

 

Having said that, we took him out of state for surgery with a sports specialist and his physical therapist moved on to do research at UVA after his rehab. These guys really knew what they are doing, like the Bills people. He had surgery on June 24 and played in a Thanksgiving basketball tournament. No, he was definitely not 100% himself, but that’s only 5 months and I find that shocking! Of course, the NFL is not high school basketball, but I’m still amazed. I remember when a torn ACL meant you might be done forever. It’s still bad, but how far they have come in recent decades is miraculous. 

 

The physical part is obviously serious so you avoid setbacks, but learning to really trust that knee again is a battle in itself. 

 

 

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I think he will too.  Probably put him on a pitch count in the first game or two for cardio reasons.  

 

I'm willing to be a dollar he's suited up week 1.

 

A Loonie or a real dollar?

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

A Loonie or a real dollar?

 

All letters matter.

[DrPJax]

36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Who was the doctor?  Was it David “The San Diego Butcher” Chao?

Hey buddy , hope you’re good !  I saw the live video of the guy who calls himself the “ thigh doctor”.  Didn’t act or seem like a real doc to me. He was on with a Stethoscope listening to his thigh ( not exaggerating).  Was also dancing around in shorts that he hiked up trying to show off his thigh development.  Seemed more like a knowledgeable PT guy to me with rehab experience.  If he is a real MD , I am surprised and apologetic , as  some people just want to be influencers now as a career, and heck , it might pay more! 
 

Pretty laughable as I thought after 42 years in medicine, I had seen quite a bit!   😀😎🍸I just turned 65 on 7/30 and am finally retiring because of failed neck surgery , but keeping all my credentials active my friend.  It’s hard to give that up after a lifetime wanting to get there !  Just saw a poll on Fox News that only 30% of the public trust Drs now , ( not hard to figure out why, guys like Pierre Cory MD who saved thousands of pts and is extensively published , is having his boards threatened by the ABIM for his work on a certain Nobel prize winning medicine etc while mandates of things keep happening , eroding trust in science ,  so maybe not a bad time to get out ). Then I saw a certain attractive female chiro with several thousand followers on YouTube treating a twitch E girl ( who posted her income as over 1.5 mil$ per month just from her only fans site alone !) , for “ sinusitis and allergies “ by “ manipulating “ her maxillary and frontal sinuses, and that’s allowed to still be posted and monetized !😊I did hundreds of flexible nasolaryngoscopies  in the office and I never could figure out how to physically move/ manipulate a sinus non surgically.!   🤣😉. YouTube must be paying well ,  better than insurance companies !  So we get football players prognosis by YouTube and allergies treated by “ manipulation “ !  No wonder the public doesn’t know who to trust ! 
 

But yeah , the guy seemed entertaining and like a good Bills fan , but didn’t have the typical , serious and professional demeanor I think most might expect from an ortho. Just wanted to say hello and Hope your career is going good ; cherish it as from my experience , time goes too fast! 😊.  I really wish you enjoyment and continued success in your career as a colleague and fellow Bills fan. Hope to chat more about the Bills as the season rolls along! 

Will enjoy watching all the games Saturday , Bills have a tough opening reg season schedule and the o line , new OC, ? About our cb’s and maybe Poyer early are some red flags for me especially after that opening Pittsburgh game last year. Indy will be tough even in the preseason, but not sure how much either team will show things Saturday given we play again in the regular season I believe.   Nfl network said last year we had the easiest schedule in the NFL ( based on ending wL records) and we still ended up 11-6 ( their words not mine ! )  Does make me take those rose colored glasses off till we actually see real action; the afc is going to be really tough and McDermott needs to finally prove he can avoid stretches of lulls this year and step up his performance come playoff time as it’s not exactly been stellar other than the New England game! It really does showcase why Marv is a hof coach despite the SB losses as it’s just so hard to even get there.  ( this post was solely replying to my friend mr weo and not intended as any medical opinion, just answering his question about the “ thigh doctor’s “  video analysis concerning Tre white after he watched him work out on video and he did make some interesting observations about mobility and whites ability to jump and land on the affected leg )  Stay safe and healthy! 👍

[Mr. WEO]

32 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

Hey buddy , hope you’re good !  I saw the live video of the guy who calls himself the “ thigh doctor”.  Didn’t act or seem like a real doc to me. He was on with a Stethoscope listening to his thigh ( not exaggerating).  Was also dancing around in shorts that he hiked up trying to show off his thigh development.  Seemed more like a knowledgeable PT guy to me with rehab experience.  If he is a real MD , I am surprised and apologetic , as  some people just want to be influencers now as a career, and heck , it might pay more! 
 

Pretty laughable as I thought after 42 years in medicine, I had seen quite a bit!   😀😎🍸I just turned 65 on 7/30 and am finally retiring because of failed neck surgery , but keeping all my credentials active my friend.  It’s hard to give that up after a lifetime wanting to get there !  Just saw a poll on Fox News that only 30% of the public trust Drs now , ( not hard to figure out why, guys like Pierre Cory MD who saved thousands of pts and is extensively published , is having his boards threatened by the ABIM for his work on a certain Nobel prize winning medicine etc while mandates of things keep happening , eroding trust in science ,  so maybe not a bad time to get out ). Then I saw a certain attractive female chiro with several thousand followers on YouTube treating a twitch E girl ( who posted her income as over 1.5 mil$ per month just from her only fans site alone !) , for “ sinusitis and allergies “ by “ manipulating “ her maxillary and frontal sinuses, and that’s allowed to still be posted and monetized !😊I did hundreds of flexible nasolaryngoscopies  in the office and I never could figure out how to physically move/ manipulate a sinus non surgically.!   🤣😉. YouTube must be paying well ,  better than insurance companies !  So we get football players prognosis by YouTube and allergies treated by “ manipulation “ !  No wonder the public doesn’t know who to trust ! 
 

But yeah , the guy seemed entertaining and like a good Bills fan , but didn’t have the typical , serious and professional demeanor I think most might expect from an ortho. Just wanted to say hello and Hope your career is going good ; cherish it as from my experience , time goes too fast! 😊.  I really wish you enjoyment and continued success in your career as a colleague and fellow Bills fan. Hope to chat more about the Bills as the season rolls along! 

Will enjoy watching all the games Saturday , Bills have a tough opening reg season schedule and the o line , new OC, ? About our cb’s and maybe Poyer early are some red flags for me especially after that opening Pittsburgh game last year. Indy will be tough even in the preseason, but not sure how much either team will show things Saturday given we play again in the regular season I believe.   Nfl network said last year we had the easiest schedule in the NFL ( based on ending wL records) and we still ended up 11-6 ( their words not mine ! )  Does make me take those rose colored glasses off till we actually see real action; the afc is going to be really tough and McDermott needs to finally prove he can avoid stretches of lulls this year and step up his performance come playoff time as it’s not exactly been stellar other than the New England game! It really does showcase why Marv is a hof coach despite the SB losses as it’s just so hard to even get there.  ( this post was solely replying to my friend mr weo and not intended as any medical opinion, just answering his question about the “ thigh doctor’s “  video analysis concerning Tre white after he watched him work out on video and he did make some interesting observations about mobility and whites ability to jump and land on the affected leg )  Stay safe and healthy! 👍

Hey brother!  Thanks for the kind words.  Happy to hear you are leaving this rat race.  At 59 I have another 10+ years to go I think.   Even then I might get the itch and do some travel locum if places are desperate for an old coot who can still cut!  Also, yes it’s crazy these quacks can monetize their goofy practices without liability—-different world.

 

I echo your thoughts re Bills:  gotta get to SB—-would be great if the win, but getting there is a must this season.  McD should feel that heat with this stacked team.  Another playoff bungling/exit  and it’s time to re-evaluate the HC position.

 

Enjoy this next phase of your life and I hope not everything is as much of a pain in the neck!

Edited August 11, 2022 by Mr. WEO

[Saxum]

18 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

After the bye week has always felt like the most realistic timeline…

 

That would make a perfect opprotunity for Poyer's agent to tell Poyer to sit out without a new contract.