BillsPride12 Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 10 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: That was supposed to happen last year. He sure as s*** wasn't the most overrated guy on the team last year either Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Donald is unblockable...it's like trying to block water or sand...it just moves away from you and you look silly He is. In my lifetime, he’s the best interior lineman I’ve ever seen. Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said: He sure as s*** wasn't the most overrated guy on the team last year either By fans? You new here? Quote
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 11 hours ago, colin said: in terms of raw physical talent, these two guys are pretty comparable. i keep harping on this, but Star was a wonder talent in highschool, college, and coming into the NFL. he's just a guy who will work as hard as driven when driven, and otherwise won't lift a finger. he's not obsessed with football. i can understand his position, how many of us are obsessed w our jobs and being the best ever at them? for most of us, most of the time, we won't see more money or prestige by working harder, certainly not with certainty nor in a short time frame, and that's enough to demotivate even quick successful people. donald, like tom brady, is a creature of very good habits and focused work. not only are these guys willing to work hard every day on exercise and film and such, but they also put work into finding new and better ways of doing things, hiring coaches and trainers, and are just super open to being coached. it isn't necessarily the volume of work, or how hard they work, but it's the systematic focused and most of all consistent application of effort towards effective action. lots of people work hard, and some people work smart, but few combine the two and maintain great habits consistently while still looking for ways to improve. the athlete i think who most embodies this is floyd mayweather jr. he's actually over trained a bit to the point where he's shattered his hands nearly to dust, but aside from that, every moment of his life for as long as can be remembered he's worked daily to be the best at boxing, and to make the most money out of that skill as possible. Sugar Ray would have ended him. Quote
without a drought Posted August 6, 2022 Posted August 6, 2022 CJ Brewer is basically the same height and weight also. So just watch the you know what out. Quote
Southern_Bills Posted August 6, 2022 Posted August 6, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 12:17 PM, Chicken Boo said: No disrespect to Oliver, but Aaron Donald is the best DT and one of the top 3 most dominant defensive forces this league has ever seen. I really wish I could argue, but you are 100% correct. Being the same athlete and the same player are two completely different situations. Quote
Stampede Posted August 7, 2022 Author Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) On 8/5/2022 at 8:42 AM, Mr. WEO said: Donald was a Pro Bowler his rookie year. He has been an All PRo every year since. He is routinely described as the best DT ever. 'Routinely': often and regularly per vocabulary.com. Please do me a favor and search for this term or one that is similar: 'best defensive tackles of all time'. Let me know how often and regularly he is mentioned or described as the best DT ever. But again, I never compared Ed's on the field accomplishments with Aaron's that would have been ludicrous. I just compared their physical attributes and workout results, nothing more. Edited August 7, 2022 by Stampede deleted the repeats Quote
Stampede Posted August 7, 2022 Author Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) On 8/5/2022 at 11:57 AM, Mr. WEO said: " it was eye-opening when you consider the effect Von had on Aaron. Here’s something to consider, though: Of Donald’s 86 pressures, 45 of them, as well as the 23 he piled up in four playoff games, came AFTER Miller arrived... Also, consider that Von was only with the Rams for just 12 games, if I'm correct." This is right up there with the thread that tried to claim Josh Allen and Rob Johnson are essentially the same (doppelgangers!!). It's OK to be a fan of Oliver, but after 3 years, there is no real comparison in their games. So, you seriously believe that the parts that you bold prove that I or Sal made the claim that 'Miller somehow made Donald'? That Von Miller is responsible for the player that Aaron Donald has become? I went to the doppelgänger thread, I guess I missed where Einstein said that Allen and Johnson are essentially the same. This is what I read, and I quote the OP's opening line: 'Just watched this again on YouTube and had a good laugh. Its uncanny how similar some of the plays are.' It was my first time seeing it, and he was right, it is uncanny. I could be wrong, but I took the doppelgänger mention as tongue in cheek. I guess it all comes down to reading comprehension. I forgot to mention, I'm not an Ed Oliver fan or a fan of any individual on this team. I'm a Buffalo Bills Fan. Edited August 7, 2022 by Stampede Quote
colin Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 7:21 PM, Mr. WEO said: Sugar Ray would have ended him. part of being a pro fighter is picking who and when you fight. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 14 hours ago, Stampede said: 'Routinely': often and regularly per vocabulary.com. Please do me a favor and search for this term or one that is similar: 'best defensive tackles of all time'. Let me know how often and regularly he is mentioned or described as the best DT ever. But again, I never compared Ed's on the field accomplishments with Aaron's that would have been ludicrous. I just compared their physical attributes and workout results, nothing more. https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angelees-aaron-donald-espn-hall-of-fame https://www.timesonline.com/story/sports/2022/02/15/super-bowl-win-seals-it-aaron-donald-best-defensive-player-ever/6797758001/ https://www.nfl.com/news/top-three-nfl-defensive-players-of-all-time-aaron-donald-lawrence-taylor-among-a https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/07/aaron-rodgers-packers-compromise-nfl-fmia-peter-king/ https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-defensive-linemen-nfl-history I'll stop there. Come on.... Quote
Mr. WEO Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, colin said: part of being a pro fighter is picking who and when you fight. That didn't happen as much back in the day Quote
Stampede Posted August 9, 2022 Author Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) On 8/8/2022 at 7:53 AM, Mr. WEO said: I'll stop there. Come on.... Mr WEO, persistent, aren't we? That's cool, it's all good. This is not the route that was intended for this thread. As already said, I wasn't comparing careers, just curious as to how much of an improvement he could make with Von on the field. Anyway, I have to match your evidence, so here are mine. I searched 'best defensive tackles of all time'. These are the top 5 results if you care to check them out: https://www.nfl.com/photos/gil-brandt-s-greatest-nfl-defensive-tackles-of-all-time-0ap3000000816301 https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-defensive-linemen-nfl-history https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-defensive-tackles-of-all-time https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1127942-the-top-10-defensive-tackles-in-nfl-history https://www.fanrankings.com/nfl/articles/top-10-nfl-defensive-tackles-of-all-time-rankings I'm hoping that Ed can put it all together and come out in full force beginning this season. He has the physical tools, hopefully he can improve on his mental game. I'm sure we are on the same page on that, yes? After all, he was projected to be a star according to NFL prospects: Aaron Donald Prospect Grade 5.90 / Ed Oliver Prospect Grade 6.80. Isn't that funny? I forgot to add; he is only 24. Edited August 9, 2022 by Stampede Quote
Mr. WEO Posted August 9, 2022 Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Stampede said: Mr WEO, persistent, aren't we? That's cool, it's all good. This is not the route that was intended for this thread. As already said, I wasn't comparing careers, just curious as to how much of an improvement he could make with Von on the field. Anyway, I have to match your evidence, so here are mine. I searched 'best defensive tackles of all time'. These are the top 5 results if you care to check them out: https://www.nfl.com/photos/gil-brandt-s-greatest-nfl-defensive-tackles-of-all-time-0ap3000000816301 https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-defensive-linemen-nfl-history https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-defensive-tackles-of-all-time https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1127942-the-top-10-defensive-tackles-in-nfl-history https://www.fanrankings.com/nfl/articles/top-10-nfl-defensive-tackles-of-all-time-rankings I'm hoping that Ed can put it all together and come out in full force beginning this season. He has the physical tools, hopefully he can improve on his mental game. I'm sure we are on the same page on that, yes? After all, he was projected to be a star according to NFL prospects: Aaron Donald Prospect Grade 5.90 / Ed Oliver Prospect Grade 6.80. Isn't that funny? I forgot to add; he is only 24. lol Gil Brant. Did you notice what year that was written. I’m guessing no. Anyway, “persistent” is clinging to a thread based on how 2 players seemed similar years ago…at the combine!! But yeah, we all hope Oliver finally reaches the next level, as every season so far is a “potential breakout season” for him. And maybe Miller can work that same magic on him as he did on that total project Aaron Donald Quote
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