GOP Senators block passage of act to provide benefits to toxic-exposed veterans

[B-Man]

 

 

Forty-two Republicans voted against the bill called the Honoring Our Promise to Address Comprehensive Toxics Act. Toomey led the GOP opposition to the bill because its text defined the spending as “mandatory” rather than “discretionary.”

 

He told host Jake Tapper on CNN’s “State of the Union” that he was against the bill because of “an unrelated $400 billion spending spree that has nothing to do with veterans and that won’t be in the veterans’ space.”

 

“This is the oldest trick in Washington. People take a sympathetic group of Americans – and it could be children with an illness, it could be victims of crime, it could be veterans who’ve been exposed to toxic chemicals – craft a bill to address their problems, and then sneak in something completely unrelated that they know could never pass on its own and dare Republicans to do anything about it,” Toomey charged.

 

 

 

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/08/01/dems-snuck-unrelated-spending-into-veterans-bill-then-unleashed-pseudo-celebrity-jon-stewart-to-trash-gop-for-opposing-it-1268445/

[L Ron Burgundy]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sure, it’s much more likely a handful of politicians just wanted the awesome publicity of voting against veterans healthcare!?! 😂 

 

They deliberately don’t make it easy to read, but CBO sure seems to think there are hundreds of billions of “discretionary” money.  
 

discretionary

dĭ-skrĕsh′ə-nĕr″ē

 

adjective

 

Left to or regulated by one's own discretion or judgment.

 

Available for use as needed or desired.

Available at one's discretion; able to be used as one chooses; left to or regulated by one's own discretion or judgment.

 

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3967

 

related to vets… lol…. Buy a Ferrari then drive by the WW2 monument (now it’s related to vets) 

Me thinks you are incorrect.   Ted wants the funding as discretionary not mandatory. Watch the videos pal.

 

It was payback.  The political theater is coming from the right this time.  Also just because something is discretionary doesn't mean it won't go to vets.  We overspend all the time this is one area I don't mind.

 

The fist bumps were cool though. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Me thinks you are incorrect.   Ted wants the funding as discretionary not mandatory. Watch the videos pal.

 

It was payback.  The political theater is coming from the right this time.  Also just because something is discretionary doesn't mean it won't go to vets.  We overspend all the time this is one area I don't mind.

 

The fist bumps were cool though. 

I read most of the bill and all of the cbo report. I ‘Thinks’ you want to believe what you want- that’s on you. 
 

The folks trying to steal more of our money using veterans health as a Trojan horse are just and bad as the ones resisting it. Go look at how much Bureaucratic baggage this burn pit issue has carried along with it for the past couple years and all the surrounding partisan shenanigans.  Now all of the sudden it’s urgent?? 😂 

 

if you think more than 10% of this money will go to vets health you refuse to understand how this dc clown show works. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I read most of the bill and all of the cbo report. I ‘Thinks’ you want to believe what you want- that’s on you. 
 

The folks trying to steal more of our money using veterans health as a Trojan horse are just and bad as the ones resisting it. Go look at how much Bureaucratic baggage this burn pit issue has carried along with it for the past couple years and all the surrounding partisan shenanigans.  Now all of the sudden it’s urgent?? 😂 

 

if you think more than 10% of this money will go to vets health you refuse to understand how this dc clown show works. 

Ah so now the pork is gone and it's just your opinion that the money won't be used as should.  

 

Aka, you were wrong.   The discretionary piece was wanted, in Cruz's own words, by Republicans. 

 

We need at least to be able to agree on facts.  There was no other spending in the bill, if you read it then you know that.  What will happen later I don't know, I haven't commented on that.  Some here are very quick to jump on misinformation from Twitter, blast it out on the forum, where the sheep then jump on it as fact.   

 

If I am wrong feel free to point out what money will not go to vets in there.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Ah so now the pork is gone and it's just your opinion that the money won't be used as should.  

 

Aka, you were wrong.   The discretionary piece was wanted, in Cruz's own words, by Republicans. 

 

We need at least to be able to agree on facts.  There was no other spending in the bill, if you read it then you know that.  What will happen later I don't know, I haven't commented on that.  Some here are very quick to jump on misinformation from Twitter, blast it out on the forum, where the sheep then jump on it as fact.   

 

If I am wrong feel free to point out what money will not go to vets in there.  

Reading isn’t for everyone 

 

pork, is money not being used for what the bills says it’s for. Why is this so hard for you. I pay a Schitt ton of taxes and don’t like to see it wasted. 
 

READ THE BILL AND CBO REPORT or STFU.

 

stop listening to what Don Lemmon and tucker Carlson tell you to think and try thinking for yourself…

 

geeze it’s like arguing with a 4 year old. 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[716er]

What specific text from the bill does @Over 29 years of fanhood take issue with? 

[L Ron Burgundy]

41 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Reading isn’t for everyone 

 

pork, is money not being used for what the bills says it’s for. Why is this so hard for you. I pay a Schitt ton of taxes and don’t like to see it wasted. 
 

READ THE BILL AND CBO REPORT or STFU.

 

stop listening to what Don Lemmon and tucker Carlson tell you to think and try thinking for yourself…

 

geeze it’s like arguing with a 4 year old. 

You've got nothing.   

 

The right look like jokers here for voting this down for nonsense then lying about it.

 

You defined discretionary for me earlier can you define hypocrisy?  I'm thinking that may apply to someone that says think for yourself but blindly gargles Ted Cruz's sack.  But define it for me so I can be sure.

 

We shouldn't just blindly give money for anything,  even vets, but our military's dumb decision messed these people up we should probably help them now.  

[L Ron Burgundy]

52 minutes ago, 716er said:

What specific text from the bill does @Over 29 years of fanhood take issue with? 

Nothing.  @Doc Brown summed it perfectly earlier in this thread.  Reps voted for it before then 1 sentence was amended that changed virtually nothing.

 

 This is all games from the right (this time, the left certainly plays their games too).

 

Another wonderful example of monkeys throwing crap at the wall plus misinformation. 

Edited August 2, 2022 by L Ron Burgundy

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, L Ron Burgundy said:

Nothing.  @Doc Brown summed it perfectly earlier in this thread.  Reps voted for it before then 1 sentence was amended that changed virtually nothing.

 

 This is all games from the right (this time the left certainly plays their games too).

 

Another wonderful example of monkeys throwing crap at the wall plus misinformation. 

knew you couldn’t figure out how to read the bill or the CBO review- where the facts are… 😂 

 

Ron Burgundy - extremely apropos  

[716er]

1 hour ago, 716er said:

What specific text from the bill does @Over 29 years of fanhood take issue with? 

 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

knew you couldn’t figure out how to read the bill or the CBO review- where the facts are… 😂 

 

Ron Burgundy - extremely apropos  

Well then mon frere please point it out.  Should be easy no?  Just a quick copy/paste.  

 

If I'm wrong- I will admit it.  It's easy (not around here but I suppose when your whole life is conspiracy maybe it's different).

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

26 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Well then mon frere please point it out.  Should be easy no?  Just a quick copy/paste.  

 

If I'm wrong- I will admit it.  It's easy (not around here but I suppose when your whole life is conspiracy maybe it's different).

 

 

 

“Nonpartisan” CBO is linked to the bill page… have a look at the financial gymnastics… btw Cruz is part of the problem 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3967

 

this table tells it all

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2022-06/hr3967_senate_version.pdf

 

look at the camp Lejune claims line… it less than 1% of the total money.

 

there are dollar for alternate use leases?

 

and 393 billon of additional mandatory spend but not defined how budget. 
 

I don’t really care what the Rs or Ds say, this looks like using the vets to steal a bunch of our money. 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Demongyz]

2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Nothing.  @Doc Brown summed it perfectly earlier in this thread.  Reps voted for it before then 1 sentence was amended that changed virtually nothing.

 

 This is all games from the right (this time, the left certainly plays their games too).

 

Another wonderful example of monkeys throwing crap at the wall plus misinformation. 

What was the sentence before and after it changed?

[L Ron Burgundy]

It went through.   Good stuff.   For all the bs we spend on this is actually something good.

 

Now I'd like to know why we were so dumb as to have these close to our troops in the first place but that's a question for another day.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

It went through.   Good stuff.   For all the bs we spend on this is actually something good.

 

Now I'd like to know why we were so dumb as to have these close to our troops in the first place but that's a question for another day.

Because the same idiots approving burning trash for soldiers to inhale are the same idiots driving legislation that idiots applaud. 
 

Like a typical moron… we can figure out why this actually happened later. Yep. 
 

surrounded by idiots… dumb slow clap

 

 

ooops, almost forgot… about 3 cents per dollar of this will actually benefit those impacted.., 

 

I really would support an IQ threshold test to screen voters. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Doc Brown]

Not a fan of celebrities in politics but if they do get involved this is how you do it.  Expose the partisan bs when it comes to bills like these.  Bill passes 86-11 because of congressional shaming by Stewart.  Not one amendment to the bill passed in the House in July was made.  This delay and spin was always about not giving Biden a "victory."  

 

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell defended his party's handling of the legislation at a news conference on Tuesday.

"Look, these kind of back and forths happen all the time in the legislative process, you've observed that over the years," he said. "I think in the end, the veterans service organizations will be pleased with the final result."

 

[Dr.Sack]

Keep sending blank checks to Ukraine. Send $ to defense contractors who will be mandated to put every veteran on payroll. Problem solved. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Because the same idiots approving burning trash for soldiers to inhale are the same idiots driving legislation that idiots applaud. 
 

Like a typical moron… we can figure out why this actually happened later. Yep. 
 

surrounded by idiots… dumb slow clap

 

 

ooops, almost forgot… about 3 cents per dollar of this will actually benefit those impacted.., 

 

I really would support an IQ threshold test to screen voters. 

I dont think you're right about the money being spent but time will tell.  Military personnel made the decision on the pits but I get your point.

[Tiberius]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

His point is the money will get abused, which is as certain as the sun rising, but yeah… stupid hill to die on, vets earned better care than the rank and file.