Training Camp practice 7/25

[eball]

12 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

NE started doing this when they started rolling 2 TEs with gronk/hernandez after the moss divorce.  They usually carried some variation of it with Gronk and others but the main thing i remember is if you see a personnel matchup that you can exploit you do it. 

 

Cook with Diggs and Crowder + howard and Knox.  If they are stacking the box you can just flow to an empty set and force them to man up.  Put knox on the outside 1x1 with a LB, i think we take that all day.  Decent chance Cook and Crowder can shake openings as well.  If they roll nickel and zone - just run it.  

 

Gabe Davis anyone?

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Gabe Davis anyone?

 

Yes sir, may I have another. 

 

People missed my point I guess as the replies moved the conversation.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I said when we drafted Araiza, it was HANG TIME not HOLDING that concerned me. Line drive punts are far more dangerous in the pros than in college. Gotta give your coverage team a chance. 

 

can he just kick it 70 yards out of bounds?  

[PonyBoy]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Gabe Davis anyone?

 

Who??? 😂

Oh yeah! Good idea...

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

can he just kick it 70 yards out of bounds?  

 

I mean kicking it through the endzone so that everything is a touchback is some people's preference. It isn't particularly mine. If he could directional punt well for touch I'd take that. 

[Rico]

5 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Kumerow is going to get cut.

Then the Packers cut Sammy and sign him back.  

[HOUSE]

I was there, where were you ? 

 

Some of you have tickets and never showed..

 

How rude

[Maynard]

43 minutes ago, Rico said:

Then the Packers cut Sammy and sign him back.  

Then we sign Sammy back? I could then wear my old Watkins jersey for purposes other than cleaning up dog puke. 

[YattaOkasan]

5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Diggs leads the league in 1 on 1 coverage yards since joining 2 years ago. So this is no big deal and great learning for the rookie 

He also has more production on the outside than most other number 1s like Kupp and Adams. That he hasn’t used free releases in the slot to get easier yards makes him that much more impressive to me

[Warcodered]

 

I have to think a bunch of Bills players playing "Settlers of Catan" has to be pretty hilarious.

[Maynard]

Love Allen: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRAsMese/?k=1

Edited July 26, 2022 by Maynard

[Hebert19]

Is shakir gonna turn out to be a steal?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Couple of thoughts after 2 days:

 

1.  McKenzie hype is a bit overstated right now.  Him starting camp as the starting slot is not news or a sign of things to come…it’s just a default and not worth over analyzing at this time. The three guys legitimately competing for time at slot with McKenzie are all brand new to the team and were not walking into camp just handed a starting spot without knowing the offense, being familiar with Josh, terminology, etc.  I like McKenzie, but he does not have a strangle hold on the starting slot WR spot.  There is a reason we signed Crowder and drafted Shakir after we extended McKenzie for 2 years.  I think he is more likely in store for more of the same, a role player and gadget specialist.  Again, I like McKenzie, not crapping on him, just talking about how I think roles will shake out.  
 

2.  Elam is getting thrown into the fire covering probably the best foot work WR in the NFL which is Diggs.  If he was succeeding already against Diggs I would actually be worried what’s wrong with Diggs.  I fully expect a rookie to get smoked by Diggs regularly 2 days into camp as he does it to the best DBs in the NFL weekly.  But I can’t think of a better school for him than having to cover the best and learn from that.
 

3.  Allen and the offense inconsistency the first 2 days is 100% to be expected and pretty much what always happens.  First, the defense almost always comes out sharper to start camp because the offense is highly dependent on timing and it takes a little time to find that rhythm.  And adding to that we are installing new offense with a new OC.  It’s so nice not having to worry one bit about your QB if he has a rough day because you know come week 1 he is an elite QB.  
 

4.  I think we will extend Poyer.  Him participating only helps his cause and with Drew there at camp and Beanes mastery of handling these situations, I am optimistic a deal gets done that keeps him in Buffalo for as long as Hyde.  
 

5.  Tre looks promising, but still cautious given the real test is in cutting and putting that kind of extreme force into his movement.  Lot of times people can do what Tre is doing now and still be multiple months away from full contact clearance.  Until we get a more substantive update, I’m going to remain cautiously optimistic for a week 1 return.

 

6.  Shakir is the real deal, but I thought

that on draft night anyway.  Probably my favorite pick of the draft, and not only do I think he will be starting slot WR entering next season, but I think he’s going to contribute this year similar to how Davis did as a rookie.  
 

7.  Not buying the Haack praise, that dude can hit some great punts then shank the next two.  He isn’t a good in game punter, don’t care how he looks in fist couple days of camp.  Punt God is going to win the job IMHO.
 

8.  Cook is already showing he is going to be a receiving weapon this year and I think he will easily catch 50+ passes this year while splitting time with Devin.

9.  Crowder, McKenzie, Shakir, Tavon - That’s a lot of slot WRs to keep on a roster.  It could happen, but not sold they keep all 4.  This will be an interesting position battle to watch, especially given the one WR that has lowest chance of getting cut is probably Shakir. 
 

10.  I said it when he was signed, but I think Tim Settle is going to end up being one of those very sneaky excellent signings that people have been over looking a bit thus far.

WRT:

 

#3  Also add in a number of new players, Crowder, Shakir, Austin, Cook, (think I'm leaving one out)

 

#4   Agree

 

#5  I can't do what Tre is doing and I didn't tear my knee up!

 

#7  Think it's more punt gods spot to lose that Haack winning it.  Bills know there's no way they could cut him and ever sneak him onto the PS

[HappyDays]

 

[Jauronimo]

6 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

NE started doing this when they started rolling 2 TEs with gronk/hernandez after the moss divorce.  They usually carried some variation of it with Gronk and others but the main thing i remember is if you see a personnel matchup that you can exploit you do it. 

 

Cook with Diggs and Crowder + howard and Knox.  If they are stacking the box you can just flow to an empty set and force them to man up.  Put knox on the outside 1x1 with a LB, i think we take that all day.  Decent chance Cook and Crowder can shake openings as well.  If they roll nickel and zone - just run it.  

I do not expect we will be seeing a lot of stacked boxes this year.

[BigAl2526]

9 hours ago, hemma said:

Sure looks like Tre will be ready.

Expect McDermott to play it verry cautiously regardless.

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think McKenzie will have a career high in receptions and yards. I think he is going to be at worst in a job share most of the year. He will be more than just a gadget guy. I don't think anyone is going to be nailed into that slot job in the way Beas has been. 

 

Beas averaged about 110 targets a year and the last two years had 82 receptions. I reckon Isaiah picks up more than a third of those targets, Crowder similar and Shakir the remainder with his number going up as the year goes on.

 

No offense bud, but saying he will have a "career high in receptions and yards" isn't saying much when his career high in receptions is 30 and yards is 282 (both occurred in 2020).  So sure, he can have a career high in both with for example 33 catches and 314 yards...but that doesn't mean anything, just means he played essentially the same role.

 

Here is where I think you are incorrectly assessing the situation.  You just exclusively redistributed all of Beasleys targets exclusively to the Slot WR's, and thats just not accurate way to look at that this year IMHO.  Davis is going to see a relevant uptick in targets this year, and honestly, would not surprise me if he leads the team in receiving this year as a full time starter opposite Diggs while Diggs draws the tougher coverage.  Even if he doesn't, hes still going to get a lot more targets as a full time starter, and one that has great rapport with Josh.  Davis IMHO will see a bigger role as the WRs in this years offense than Sanders was in last years offense.

 

Now you also have Cook, who is going to eat a chunk of those slot targets this year, and I think he is easily in line for a 50+ reception himself season, if not even more.  Now you still have Knox whose only been getting better (also in a contract year) and the additional of OJ Howard to go along with a new OC that seems interested in using the TE more.  Not to mention, its a reasonable expectation that the run game will be getting more snaps and more involved this year from the start of the season. 

 

So, I cant see McKenzie suddenly getting all the targets he got last year plus another third of Beasleys, unless he dominates the snaps at slot, which I think is unrealistic based on how good Crowder is, and how good Shakir might be (and so far so good in what we have seen from him).  And with Shakir the future of the position, I can easily see him eating more targets up during the back half of the season too assuming he keeps doing a good job with his opportunities.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I think I was one year early on my Gabe Davis to lead Buffalo receivers in yards prediction from last season. All signs point to him exploding this year. 

18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So, I cant see McKenzie suddenly getting all the targets he got last year plus another third of Beasleys, unless he dominates the snaps at slot, which I think is unrealistic based on how good Crowder is, and how good Shakir might be (and so far so good in what we have seen from him).  And with Shakir the future of the position, I can easily see him eating more targets up during the back half of the season too assuming he keeps doing a good job with his opportunities.  

 I agree with all your points. 

 

I do think Allen will eventually be the first to the 6,000 total yards and 60 total TD's club. So if that happens this year then maybe everybody has career years. 

[YoloinOhio]

Anyone who was there that can tell us the 3rd TE in the 13 personnel packages? I heard Quintin Morris looked pretty good. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]