Scraps Posted September 25 Posted September 25 45 minutes ago, SCBills said: Because I read the facts of the story? Thats what happened. She miscarried, but birthed a live baby and let it die, despite 911 operators instructing her to take the baby out of the water to try and give it medical aid when medics arrived. She was likely cleared because it’s a tragic situation and I’m sure she panicked. I don’t know that I, a pro-lifer, would necessarily indict on this either. She denies taking abortion medicine, but that seems murky. Regardless .. to weaponize this story without context is gross. And democrats would be wise to not jump on any random story they come across from a strict abortion state. It is a legitimate issue to raise. She wasn't indicted but did spend time in jail and needed a lawyer. I'm guessing that most women think they shouldn't be concerned with the legal ramifications of a miscarriage. 1
Pokebball Posted September 25 Posted September 25 14 minutes ago, Scraps said: It is a legitimate issue to raise. She wasn't indicted but did spend time in jail and needed a lawyer. I'm guessing that most women think they shouldn't be concerned with the legal ramifications of a miscarriage. Are we in the process here of changing the definition of a miscarriage? I think this is a a very important distinction.
Scraps Posted September 25 Posted September 25 10 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Are we in the process here of changing the definition of a miscarriage? I think this is a a very important distinction. What is your definition of a miscarriage?
Pokebball Posted September 25 Posted September 25 17 minutes ago, Scraps said: What is your definition of a miscarriage? I don't have one. I've historically followed the medical definition.
Scraps Posted September 25 Posted September 25 8 minutes ago, Pokebball said: I don't have one. I've historically followed the medical definition. Which is?
Tiberius Posted September 25 Posted September 25 2 hours ago, Pokebball said: This has nothing to do with abortion, does it? I think the law is claiming her miscarriage was an abortion Not a lot of facts
Scraps Posted September 25 Posted September 25 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Pokebball said: You tell me Your the one questioning whether or not the definition of miscarriage is being changed but can't give a definition of miscarriage. How would you know it is being changed? Edited September 25 by Scraps
Pokebball Posted September 25 Posted September 25 4 minutes ago, Scraps said: Your the one questioning whether or not the definition of miscarriage is being changed but can't give a definition of miscarriage. How would you know it is being changed? You've answered my question. Thx 1 1
B-Man Posted September 25 Posted September 25 1 hour ago, Pokebball said: You've answered my question. Thx 1 hour ago, Scraps said: I have written about this in the past. Sadly in my 45 year career as a nurse I have been present at far too many miscarriages. To the point where i have held the 10 - 15 week old baby in my hands. The definition of a miscarriage is the expulsion of a baby from the womb before it is able to survive independently, especially spontaneously or as the result of accident. That is it.. What Scrappy Doo and the Leftist gang have always argued is that "a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion" As if that is the equivalent of the chosen act of a medical procedure to end a woman's pregnancy. They WON'T be persuaded otherwise so I just ignore their pigheadedness. By the way, ask the poor girl who has suffered the tragedy of a miscarriage whether it was a baby or a 'fetus'. .
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 17 Posted October 17 Not for lack of effort from democrats but the abortion issue doesn't appear to be giving them a lot of traction like it generated in the 2022 mid-terms. People have more immediate concerns as major issues and they poll badly on those. 1
ChiGoose Posted October 30 Author Posted October 30 A Woman Died After Being Told It Would Be a “Crime” to Intervene in Her Miscarriage at a Texas Hospital "The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica. But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.” For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection." *** "In a state that hadn’t banned abortion, Barnica could have immediately been offered the options that major medical organizations, including international ones, say is the standard of evidence-based care: speeding up labor with medication or a dilation and evacuation procedure to empty the uterus. “We know that the sooner you intervene in these situations, the better outcomes are,” said Dr. Steven Porter, an OB-GYN in Cleveland. But Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary. The law did not account for the possibility of a future emergency, one that could develop in hours or days without intervention, doctors told ProPublica. Barnica was technically still stable. But lying in the hospital with her cervix open wider than a baseball left her uterus exposed to bacteria and placed her at high risk of developing sepsis, experts told ProPublica. Infections can move fast and be hard to control once they take hold. The scenario felt all too familiar for Dr. Leilah Zahedi-Spung, a maternal-fetal medicine specialist who used to work in Tennessee and reviewed a summary of Barnica’s records at ProPublica’s request. Abortion bans put doctors in an impossible position, she said, forcing them to decide whether to risk malpractice or a felony charge. After her state enacted one of the strictest bans in the country, she also waited to offer interventions in cases like Barnica’s until the fetal heartbeat stopped or patients showed signs of infection, praying every time that nothing would go wrong. It’s why she ultimately moved to Colorado."
B-Man Posted October 31 Posted October 31 Nebraska softball star hits back at criticism after appearing in pro-life ad: ‘We just aren’t afraid’ Bahl is a two-time national champion and was named Women's College World Series Most Outstanding Player By Paulina Dedaj Jordyn Bahl, a two-time national champion and standout on the University of Nebraska-Lincoln (UNL) softball team, is firing back after facing criticism for taking part in a political ad campaigning for a pro-life ballot measure in Nebraska. Bahl, 22, was one of six athletes from the university who appeared in a series of commercials encouraging Nebraskans to vote on two competing abortion measures that will be on the state’s general election ballot Tuesday, Initiative Measure 434 and Initiative Measure 439. https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nebraska-softball-star-hits-back-criticism-after-appearing-pro-life-ad-we-just-arent-afraid
B-Man Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Kristof has earned what may be the most epic Community Note of all time: Hang it in the Louvre. What a work of art. 1
SydneyBillsFan Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Quote Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws A huge impact. Miserable lesbians and fat, ugly singles vote all wrapped up. Shame about the other 93% of the voting demographic.
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