Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

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15 weeks, exceptions for rape, ***** and life of mother. who says no to this?

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

 

15 weeks, exceptions for rape, ***** and life of mother. who says no to this?

“Your body - our choice.”

-MAGA

 

Keep these suits out women's health care.

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

“Your body - our choice.”

-MAGA

 

Keep these suits out women's health care.

 

California has abortion laws you realize right? And New York and every Dem state?

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

“Your body - our choice.”

-MAGA

 

Keep these suits out women's health care.

 

 

What's a woman?

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

California has abortion laws you realize right? And New York and every Dem state?

 

California:

 

There is no strict cut-off date as to when a pregnancy may be terminated. But absent special circumstances, abortion services cannot be performed once the fetus becomes viable. By definition, a fetus becomes viable if it is likely to sustain survival outside of the uterus. It has to be able to survive without extraordinary medical measures.

 

Doctors determine whether a given fetus is viable. They make this decision on a case-by-case basis

 

New York:

 

Abortion access is available for New Yorkers and for those coming from outside of New York State. You do not have to be a New York State resident to receive care here.  

 

Medication abortion and in-clinic abortion is available in New York State. You can speak to a provider about your options, and your privacy will be protected every step of the way.  

 

In New York, you can get an abortion up to and including 24 weeks of pregnancy. After 24 weeks, you can still get an abortion if your health or pregnancy is at risk.

 

Who is making the decision in California and NY?

 

The patient and their doctor; not elected SUITS.

 

 

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

California:

 

There is no strict cut-off date as to when a pregnancy may be terminated. But absent special circumstances, abortion services cannot be performed once the fetus becomes viable. By definition, a fetus becomes viable if it is likely to sustain survival outside of the uterus. It has to be able to survive without extraordinary medical measures.

 

Doctors determine whether a given fetus is viable. They make this decision on a case-by-case basis

 

New York:

 

Abortion access is available for New Yorkers and for those coming from outside of New York State. You do not have to be a New York State resident to receive care here.  

 

Medication abortion and in-clinic abortion is available in New York State. You can speak to a provider about your options, and your privacy will be protected every step of the way.  

 

In New York, you can get an abortion up to and including 24 weeks of pregnancy. After 24 weeks, you can still get an abortion if your health or pregnancy is at risk.

 

Who is making the decision in California and NY?

 

The patient and their doctor; not elected SUITS.

 

 

 

Uhh, so what happens if you abort those viable fetuses in Cali or after 24 in New York?  It's against the law right?

[Doc]

Stupid Dems.  They want everything their way and act like children when they don't get it.  That's what the problem is today.

[Tiberius]

37 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

So grahams proposal is 15 weeks, includes the exception for rape, ***** and life of mother.  what's the problem here?

Love it! Hope you guys keep pushing for unpopular stuff 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Love it! Hope you guys keep pushing for unpopular stuff 

 

what's upopular about it? which part?  Cali and other dem states generally put limit at viability.  

[Tiberius]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

what's upopular about it? which part?  Cali and other dem states generally put limit at viability.  

sounds good to me, hopefully this will be the GOP's big ticket promise for the midterms! You can do it!!!

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

There’s little evidence the Dobbs decision is sinking Republicans

 

 

 

 

🤣. Love it!!

[The Frankish Reich]

28 minutes ago, BillStime said:

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Turn out the base. 
Let us take the House and Senate and we’ll kill the filibuster and ban abortion nationwide. 
So much for “state’s rights.” Thank you, Sen Graham (a man far more likely to get monkey pox than to get pregnant, or to get a woman pregnant) for revealing that all that “return the issue to the states” crap was bs)

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

what's upopular about it? which part?  Cali and other dem states generally put limit at viability.  

 

Again they want it all their way.  No limits on abortion, period.  Don't want your kid after you give birth to it?  No problem!  We're battling for the "soul of the Nation" after all...

[aristocrat]

47 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

California:

 

There is no strict cut-off date as to when a pregnancy may be terminated. But absent special circumstances, abortion services cannot be performed once the fetus becomes viable. By definition, a fetus becomes viable if it is likely to sustain survival outside of the uterus. It has to be able to survive without extraordinary medical measures.

 

Doctors determine whether a given fetus is viable. They make this decision on a case-by-case basis

 

New York:

 

Abortion access is available for New Yorkers and for those coming from outside of New York State. You do not have to be a New York State resident to receive care here.  

 

Medication abortion and in-clinic abortion is available in New York State. You can speak to a provider about your options, and your privacy will be protected every step of the way.  

 

In New York, you can get an abortion up to and including 24 weeks of pregnancy. After 24 weeks, you can still get an abortion if your health or pregnancy is at risk.

 

Who is making the decision in California and NY?

 

The patient and their doctor; not elected SUITS.

 

 

 

again, what happens after those limits? 

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

again, what happens after those limits? 

Consult your doctor - can you not read?

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Consult your doctor - can you not read?

Sure! Let’s see if a woman can find a doctor who’ll tell her that her two year old isn’t viable! Sure! 

[aristocrat]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Consult your doctor - can you not read?

 

you'e not allowed to abort a viable fetus after those limits correct?  so if you did you would face some legal consequences?

[ComradeKayAdams]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

So grahams proposal is 15 weeks, includes the exception for rape, ***** and life of mother.  what's the problem here?

 

The devil is in the details. It depends on how abortion exceptions are articulated in the bill and how difficult the exception confirmation process is for the woman, with the most sensitive exceptions being rape cases. While I haven’t read any details on the bill yet, I tend not to trust the Christian theocratic GOP when it comes to drafting any bill pertaining to women’s rights.

 

But let’s also bear in mind a few basic facts here:

 

1. 15 weeks is much less than 24-28 weeks a.k.a. the point of fetal viability a.k.a. the delineation of Roe v. Wade.

 

2. Fewer than 10% of all performed abortions occur beyond 15 weeks, with most of these abortions related to the medical handling of miscarriages.

 

3. If you support this bill, then you are automatically conceding the “states’ rights” argument.

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

The devil is in the details. It depends on how abortion exceptions are articulated in the bill and how difficult the exception confirmation process is for the woman, with the most sensitive exceptions being rape cases. While I haven’t read any details on the bill yet, I tend not to trust the Christian theocratic GOP when it comes to drafting any bill pertaining to women’s rights.

 

But let’s also bear in mind a few basic facts here:

 

1. 15 weeks is much less than 24-28 weeks a.k.a. the point of fetal viability a.k.a. the delineation of Roe v. Wade.

 

2. Fewer than 10% of all performed abortions occur beyond 15 weeks, with most of these abortions related to the medical handling of miscarriages.

 

3. If you support this bill, then you are automatically conceding the “states’ rights” argument.

This is how legislation is crafted Kay. A proposal is put forth and amendments are offered. Trust the Process. It’s long overdue on abortion. 

[nedboy7]

You anti abortion folks defended the scotus decision as being rightfully given to the states as your argument.  Now you idiots are for a federal ban?  Slime balls. 

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

That's a completely fair proposal.  That's 105 days or 3.5 months to make a decision.  More than enough time.

 

Thought you were all for states having the right to make this decision. 

[BillStime]

17 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

you'e not allowed to abort a viable fetus after those limits correct?  so if you did you would face some legal consequences?

 

Go do some research and get back - thanks