Scraps Posted September 17 Posted September 17 Just now, Doc said: Yes one done before she presented to the ED in organ failure. Did you examine her? Did you talk to the doctors who examined her? Do you have access to her charts? Seriously?? You know better than a board, which had access to all those sources of information, who looked at this issue and concluded otherwise?
ChiGoose Posted September 17 Author Posted September 17 17 minutes ago, Doc said: The D&C wasn't going to save her life. And you know that how? You should tell the investigative committee, because it seems they missed that. Is your conclusion that it was totally cool and good for the hospital to delay the standard treatment of care for someone in her situation until it was too late because she didn’t do what you personally believe she should have done earlier?
Doc Posted September 17 Posted September 17 37 minutes ago, Scraps said: Did you examine her? Did you talk to the doctors who examined her? Do you have access to her charts? Seriously?? You know better than a board, which had access to all those sources of information, who looked at this issue and concluded otherwise? 27 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: And you know that how? You should tell the investigative committee, because it seems they missed that. Is your conclusion that it was totally cool and good for the hospital to delay the standard treatment of care for someone in her situation until it was too late because she didn’t do what you personally believe she should have done earlier? I was told that the COVID vaccines: a) would prevent you from getting infected and spreading it, b) 100% safe and c) were better than natural immunity. Color me skeptical of what "experts," even if they're doctors. Everyone has an agenda. And what was the reason for the delay? Was it (really) because of the abortion law? Was it because they didn't know what was wrong because she wouldn't tell them? Did they delay starting antibiotics, which is what she needed just as much if not more than an immediate D&C? Did anesthesia balk at first because of her being in extremis and finally agree as a last ditch effort? 1
ChiGoose Posted September 17 Author Posted September 17 4 minutes ago, Doc said: I was told that the COVID vaccines: a) would prevent you from getting infected and spreading it, b) 100% safe and c) were better than natural immunity. Color me skeptical of what "experts," even if they're doctors. Everyone has an agenda. And what was the reason for the delay? Was it (really) because of the abortion law? Was it because they didn't know what was wrong because she wouldn't tell them? Did they delay starting antibiotics, which is what she needed just as much if not more than an immediate D&C? Did anesthesia balk at first because of her being in extremis and finally agree as a last ditch effort? Seems like you’re not immune from “having an agenda,” trying to find anyway to make this into something else because you don’t like the conclusions the state investigative committee reached.
Doc Posted September 17 Posted September 17 18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Seems like you’re not immune from “having an agenda,” trying to find anyway to make this into something else because you don’t like the conclusions the state investigative committee reached. I've repeatedly stated my opinion on abortion. I never wanted RvW to be overturned. You can thank JWHO and the law of unintended consequences for that one. 1
ChiGoose Posted September 17 Author Posted September 17 6 minutes ago, Doc said: I've repeatedly stated my opinion on abortion. I never wanted RvW to be overturned. You can thank JWHO and the law of unintended consequences for that one. Your position blaming JWHO is essentially: people should not challenge blatantly unconstitutional laws because they might not like the consequences. It’s a green light to passing unconstitutional laws in the hopes SCOTUS changes the understanding of the constitution. Seems… lazy and bad. Maybe just a backwards-looking justification to always blame whoever you consider “the other”
Doc Posted September 17 Posted September 17 15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Your position blaming JWHO is essentially: people should not challenge blatantly unconstitutional laws because they might not like the consequences. It’s a green light to passing unconstitutional laws in the hopes SCOTUS changes the understanding of the constitution. Seems… lazy and bad. Maybe just a backwards-looking justification to always blame whoever you consider “the other” Just like this case... 1
BillsFanNC Posted September 18 Posted September 18 "Remove all of the products of conception" At 34+ weeks. Pure evil.
ChiGoose Posted September 18 Author Posted September 18 35 minutes ago, Doc said: Just like this case... Yeah, the Georgia committee is totally listening to me and doing what I want it to.
SCBills Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Abortion pills killed this woman, but the media will allow Democrats to mislead people who aren’t capable and/or interested in understanding what truly happened here in Georgia. 1
Tiberius Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Abortion pills killed this woman, but the media will allow Democrats to mislead people who aren’t capable and/or interested in understanding what truly happened here in Georgia. Media conspiracy!
SCBills Posted September 18 Posted September 18 This is what happened. Democrats are clinging to her having to drive to North Carolina and missing her medical appointment as reasoning.. meanwhile all other evidence points to the abortion pills and negligence causing her death. 1
Scraps Posted September 18 Posted September 18 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: Abortion pills killed this woman, but the media will allow Democrats to mislead people who aren’t capable and/or interested in understanding what truly happened here in Georgia. She died because she didn't receive the life saving operation she needed in a timely fashion.
Tommy Callahan Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, Scraps said: She died because she didn't receive the life saving operation she needed in a timely fashion. Failure of the doctors. They had every legal standing to do it. The story just implies she told them of the procedure and medication she took. And again. Why people push back against these drugs being pushed for mail order. There can be severe consequences of using them after the first term. As she did . 1
Scraps Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Failure of the doctors. They had every legal standing to do it. The story just implies she told them of the procedure and medication she took. And again. Why people push back against these drugs being pushed for mail order. There can be severe consequences of using them after the first term. As she did . Your not the doctor who it taking the risk, so your opinion is worthless. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 minute ago, Scraps said: Your not the doctor who it taking the risk, so your opinion is worthless. That's a weak ass astraman to discredit any opinion but the one you got from the one story in a partisan and for profit site. 1
Big Blitz Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Abortion abortion Trump abortion ban abortion abortion abortion abortion The Democrat party 2024 And now they’re lying about this The media will not look to correct or fact check the story like they tried with the Haitian immigrants. 1 1
B-Man Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Pro-Life Laws Didn't Kill Amber Thurman, the Abortion Industry Did We're less than seven weeks out from election day, so you all might want to steel yourselves for the inevitable rhetoric around abortion that's guaranteed to come your way. Courtesy of the Democrats, of course, whose agenda and messaging have for years centered on "abortion rights" and "reproductive health." It's their thing; they are ghouls who think they're championing women. The thing is, the pro-abortion cabal are extremely anti-woman. Take the very sad case of Amber Thurman, a woman from Georgia who died in 2022 after suffering complications from the abortion pills she was given by a "reproductive health" facility. The first pill, mifepristone, was given to Thurman at a clinic in North Carolina; she was given the second pill, misoprostol, to take at home. Within a few days of taking the second pill, Thurman went to a local hospital seeking treatment for a number of issues, including bleeding, vomiting up blood, fainting spells, a high white blood cell count, and low blood pressure. Amber Thurman became campaign fodder after the leftist "investigative journalism" site ProPublica published a story on her last week, and Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton, and Kamala Harris have been exploiting and grossly misrepresenting Thurman's death this week. You notice how Democrats never care about women dying from botched abortions until it makes for convenient campaign material? The left is trying desperately to spin the story as the first abortion-related death following the reversal of Roe v. Wade. They are lying, of course. Abortionists set the sad chain of events in motion, and inadequate health care failed to fix the destruction brought on by the abortion pills in time to save Thurman. The American Association of Pro Life OBGYNs (AAPLOG) tweeted a very detailed explanation of what actually happened to Amber Thurman, laying out how it all could have been avoided and how pro-life state laws did not prevent her from getting adequate medical care. It's worth a look if you're on X, but here are some key takeaways: Amber presented with probable endometritis due to incomplete abortion with probable sepsis The standard care for treatment in this case is immediate antibiotics and a D&C Antibiotics weren't given until Amber had been at the hospital over three hours The D&C wasn't performed until the next day; Amber died on the operating table Georgia law does not criminalize doing a D&C, especially when there is a lack of a fetal heartbeat It's important to note that the left is lying through their teeth when they claim the D&C delay was due to the hospital staff not knowing if performing a D&C was legal or not. The AAPLOG described the Amber Thurman case as "one of the most clearcut cases of medical malpractice" they have ever seen. https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2024/09/18/pro-life-laws-didnt-kill-amber-thurman-the-abortion-industry-did-n2179457 So, keep pushing your lies, you are only hurting yourselves. . 1
Scraps Posted September 18 Posted September 18 6 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: That's a weak ass astraman to discredit any opinion but the one you got from the one story in a partisan and for profit site. Are you a licensed physician? Are you a lawyer licensed by a state bar? You haven't offered any reasoned argument to dispute the ProPublica article so why should I give your unsubstantiated opinion any weight? 1
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