Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws

[Tiberius]

Babies are born and then the decision is made by liberals mothers to kill or keep the baby. The liberal beast mother sniffs the baby over and decides if she thinks its good enough or she should just try again later. If the liberal monster mother wants to kill the new born, in blue murder states, she can have it disposed of or turned over to Haitian immigrants as a side dish. 

 

Trump said so, so it must be true  

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Babies are born and then the decision is made by liberals mothers to kill or keep the baby. The liberal beast mother sniffs the baby over and decides if she thinks its good enough or she should just try again later. If the liberal monster mother wants to kill the new born, in blue murder states, she can have it disposed of or turned over to Haitian immigrants as a side dish. 

 

Trump said so, so it must be true  

Tds has consumed you.  

 

 

[ChiGoose]

Oh look, the predictable thing happened. 
 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

On 9/16/2024 at 9:08 AM, ChiGoose said:

Oh look, the predictable thing happened. 
 

 

Those stories work very hard to keep the details out.  

 

And a big reason why normal people know these medications should not be mail order without a script. 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Those stories work very hard to keep the details out.  

 

And a big reason why normal people know these medications should not be mail order without a script. 

 

 

 

"The story should have included details that the story did actually include. I just can't read. Take that, libs!"

 

People who push and promote these laws want everyone to believe that it's all black and white and totally simple. All abortions are elective. The laws are written clearly and in ways that allow for doctors to do normal care. They want it to be simple because if people understood the messy truth, they would oppose these laws.

 

Of course their claims are not true. Some of them know it. Some of them are just ignorant (like the people who post about articles not including information that was in the article).

 

A woman was suffering from a condition that required abortion treatment to resolve. The hospital delayed that treatment for 20 hours, and as a result, she died. An official state committee determined that it was this delay likely killed her.

 

Now, instead of saying "why was there a delay?" because it might, just might, make them realize that fear of prosecution is causing such delays all across the country in states with Dobbs era abortion laws, these bad-faithed and/or ignorant actors are blaming a pill that has been documented to have been utilized 6 million times in almost a quarter century with just 32 reported deaths (information that was also in the article that apparently Tommy Eyerolls is incapable of reading). They'll blame the pill instead of the delayed treatment.

 

So instead of realizing that they've directly put women in harm's way, they'll likely double down and advocate for policies that will only worsen the problems. They just don't care. They'll live in their fantasy world and damn anyone who is harmed or even dies because of the policies they support. Ghouls.

Edited September 17 by ChiGoose

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Those stories work very hard to keep the details out.  

 

And a big reason why normal people know these medications should not be mail order without a script.

 

Kind of figured there was more to the story.  Can't trust anything people say anymore.

[ChiGoose]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Kind of figured there was more to the story.  Can't trust anything people say anymore.

 

You could have just read the article, which included all of that information.

 

But it's easier to just assume everything is what you want it to be.

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

You could have just read the article, which included all of that information.

 

But it's easier to just assume everything is what you want it to be.

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOW That's What I Call Projection Vol. 1,654,037

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

You could have just read the article, which included all of that information.

 

But it's easier to just assume everything is what you want it to be.

 

Great job posting it then.  Spectacular work.

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Great job posting it then.  Spectacular work.

 

For people struggling with how the internet works:

 

On 9/16/2024 at 8:08 AM, ChiGoose said:

Oh look, the predictable thing happened. 
 

 

 

This post includes a thing called a link. Now the link takes you to the source of the claim, which is a story published by ProPublica.

 

I get that the world is big and scary, but it's not that hard. Ask your grandkids for help if you need it.

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

For people struggling with how the internet works:

 

 

This post includes a thing called a link. Now the link takes you to the source of the claim, which is a story published by ProPublica.

 

I get that the world is big and scary, but it's not that hard. Ask your grandkids for help if you need it.

 

The original tweet was a lie.  She could has accesed timely medical care but didn't/didn't know there was an issue.  PP just gave her meds and sent her on her merry way.

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

The original tweet was a lie.  She could has accesed timely medical care but didn't/didn't know there was an issue.  PP just gave her meds and sent her on her merry way.

 

The tweet was literally just the conclusion from the state's investigative committee. Are you saying that they lied?

 

If a hospital delays life saving care until it's too late, is that ok because it could have been prevented earlier in an alternative universe where different things happened or people took different actions?

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

The tweet was literally just the conclusion from the state's investigative committee. Are you saying that they lied?

 

If a hospital delays life saving care until it's too late, is that ok because it could have been prevented earlier in an alternative universe where different things happened or people took different actions?

 

Lied?  I won't go that far but they certainly left out some facts.  Again she waited too long to seek medical care likely because she didn't know any better, and when she did, they provided it but it was too late for her.  Blaming the victim isn't a good look.

Edited September 17 by Doc

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Lied?  I won't go that far but they certainly left out some facts.  Again she waited too long to seek medical care likely because she didn't know any better, and when she did, they provided it but it was too late for her. 

Should it take 20 hours from the time she arrived in an ER to the time of surgery?

[ChiGoose]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Lied?  I won't go that far but they certainly left out some facts.  Again she waited too long to seek medical care likely because she didn't know any better, and when she did, they provided it but it was too late for her.  Blaming the victim isn't a good look.

So you believe the investigative committee was wrong when it said that delaying the care likely caused the death?

“Blaming the victim isn’t a good look” -Guy blaming the victim 

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Should it take 20 hours from the time she arrived in an ER to the time of surgery?

 

She was already going in organ failure when she went to the ED.  The D&C wasn't going to save her life.

 

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

So you believe the investigative committee was wrong when it said that delaying the care likely caused the death?

“Blaming the victim isn’t a good look” -Guy blaming the victim

 

I was talking about them blaming her publicly. 

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

She was already going in organ failure when she went to the ED.  The D&C wasn't going to save her life.

 

 

I was talking about them blaming her publicly. 

 

They’re lying.  It’s only going to get worse as we get into late October.  
 

 

And abortion is all they are running on. 
 

It’s absolutely disgusting.  

 

 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Scraps said:

"There is a “good chance” providing a D&C earlier could have prevented Amber Thurman’s death, the maternal mortality review committee concluded."

 

You know better than they do?  

 

Yes one done before she presented to the ED in organ failure. 

 

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

They’re lying.  It’s only going to get worse as we get into late October.  
 

 

And abortion is all they are running on. 
 

It’s absolutely disgusting.  

 

 

I'd say PP shares a significant portion of the blame.  They're the ones who prescribed the medications and apparently didn't give her proper instructions (she was a medical assistant) or bother to follow up.

 

And it's a shame no matter how you choose to assign fault.  I've always been of the mind that it should be legal but up to a point and with exceptions for the life of the mother after that point.

Edited September 17 by Doc