Doc Posted March 27 Posted March 27 If the most important issue is whether women can abort babies, we're ***** as a country. 1
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 13 hours ago, Doc said: If the most important issue is whether women can abort babies, we're ***** as a country. No, just the GOP and their war on women are ******* Good 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 28 Posted March 28 18 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I wasn't able to follow it too closely, but from what I can tell, the argument for standing is extremely weak. Do you think they even reach the merits in the final decision or will it be dismissed for lack of proper standing? I see it being kicked on the standing issue. That's the one issue where you'll get some conservative justices (Gorsuch, Roberts) joining the liberals. It really is an astonishingly weak theory on that front: a woman may take the drug, experience complications that require her to go to an ER, and then be treated by a doctor who objects to performing anything relating to an abortion.
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) Courts ruled it's not federal. States are acting. We will end up like the EU with different laws in different states. They will probably strike down the medical abortion pill mail order ban . Even though it can have severe complications if taken after certain stages of development. Edited March 28 by Tommy Callahan
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 9 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Courts ruled it's not federal. States are acting. We will end up like the EU with different laws in different states. They will probably strike down the medical abortion pill mail order ban . Even though it can have severe complications if taken after certain stages of development. Yup, and Dems are now winning on this issue in deeply red states. Nice job! 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Yup, and Dems are now winning on this issue in deeply red states. Nice job! I have to agree here, the liberal side is winning the battle in the march to abortion on demand. On the other hand, the history of our country tells us sometimes, the majority represents carnage, injustice and apathy to innocents and the unprotected class. 1
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 39 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I have to agree here, the liberal side is winning the battle in the march to abortion on demand. On the other hand, the history of our country tells us sometimes, the majority represents carnage, injustice and apathy to innocents and the unprotected class. Yup, the rural south, Conservatives in general, have tried their hardest to be cruel and unjust to classes of people. Here they are dealing with the backlash by their intended victims, young women 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 28 Posted March 28 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, the rural south, Conservatives in general, have tried their hardest to be cruel and unjust to classes of people. Here they are dealing with the backlash by their intended victims, young women You can parse it however you want, Tibs, and I would agree with you if the thought process is a person should never be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, ever. While I understand that thought process from a spiritual or 'life begins at conception' perspective I can't recall ever thinking that made sense societally. On the flip side, I never would have assumed abortion to birthing room would ever be a maninstream talking point. However, the current focus of the majority simply substitutes one victim for another, with the new victim denied the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. let's be sure to remember, too, that the same deep south crowd you talk about--usually democrat for generations, certainly thought they were as right as you do now when it came to identifying victims and solutions. 1 2
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You can parse it however you want, Tibs, and I would agree with you if the thought process is a person should never be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, ever. While I understand that thought process from a spiritual or 'life begins at conception' perspective I can't recall ever thinking that made sense societally. On the flip side, I never would have assumed abortion to birthing room would ever be a maninstream talking point. However, the current focus of the majority simply substitutes one victim for another, with the new victim denied the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. let's be sure to remember, too, that the same deep south crowd you talk about--usually democrat for generations, certainly thought they were as right as you do now when it came to identifying victims and solutions. The Democrats used to house the Conservatives, the Southern Democrats, not liberals. Then civil rights happened and Conservatives went over to the GOP. The same people who love the zygotes and fetuses just happen to be the same people who fought tooth and nail against civil rights, health care for the people, including children, along with other social justice issues. Sounds very disingenuous. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: The Democrats used to house the Conservatives, the Southern Democrats, not liberals. Then civil rights happened and Conservatives went over to the GOP. The same people who love the zygotes and fetuses just happen to be the same people who fought tooth and nail against civil rights, health care for the people, including children, along with other social justice issues. Sounds very disingenuous. Sure. The democrats weren't the democrats because you don't want those democrats to be democrats. 🤔 Shocking. You jumped off topic and onto broad social justice topics pretty quickly here. If you choose to believe that liberals and democrats should be shielded from blame for all manner of injustice(s) over the years, you're fooling only yourself. Civil rights issues, health care, racism and all the rest crossed political spectrum--democrats, liberals, republicans, conservatives. There's plenty of blame to go around, and certainly plenty of heroes who swam against the tide on both sides of the aisle. Bringing us back to the point, imo pro-choice is an important part of the dialogue, but at some point, with some exceptions, the life of the child should take precedence. It's the height of disingenuousness to suggest you're in support of a person's right to choose, when in fact, you're in favor of a person's right to terminate the life of a child you suggest you might actually care about a month, week or day later. 2
Doc Posted March 28 Posted March 28 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: No, just the GOP and their war on women are ******* Good Not allowing women to abort babies isn't a "war on women." Even my Dem colleague acknowledged it's about the life of the baby. An actual "war on women" is allowing biological males to displace biological females. 1 1
B-Man Posted March 31 Posted March 31 This woman has no shame. None, whatsoever. We know you know that ... heck, anyone who knows how Kamala Harris got her big break in politics knows that, but it's so infuriating to see posts she (or the underpaid, stupid intern posting for her) sends that are so obvious and blatantly false. She's putting women's lives in danger for this crap talking point but we shouldn't be surprised because all she really cares about is votes and power. This never happened. Never. Ever. And she knows it, which is why she used nameless, faceless women to make her claims. Luckily, Twitter was having none of it. You’re claiming the emergency doctors violated EMTALA? Repeatedly? Which hospital? https://twitter.com/ArieFriedman/status/1773693739275354126? 2
Tiberius Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/28/2024 at 2:34 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Sure. The democrats weren't the democrats because you don't want those democrats to be democrats. 🤔 Shocking. You don't understand the voters changed parties? The Dems did civil rights and the Conservatives went over to the GOP, pretty simple to get, really On 3/28/2024 at 2:34 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You jumped off topic and onto broad social justice topics pretty quickly here. If you choose to believe that liberals and democrats should be shielded from blame for all manner of injustice(s) over the years, you're fooling only yourself. Civil rights issues, health care, racism and all the rest crossed political spectrum--democrats, liberals, republicans, conservatives. There's plenty of blame to go around, and certainly plenty of heroes who swam against the tide on both sides of the aisle. Well, Conservative Democrats were in charge of Jim Crow, KKK and the rest, so hope you are blaming liberals for that is beyond me 1
Tiberius Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/28/2024 at 2:34 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Bringing us back to the point, imo pro-choice is an important part of the dialogue, but at some point, with some exceptions, the life of the child should take precedence. It's the height of disingenuousness to suggest you're in support of a person's right to choose, when in fact, you're in favor of a person's right to terminate the life of a child you suggest you might actually care about a month, week or day later. Sure, at some point. But what's strange is that once the child is born, Conservatives want a hands off approach, to things like health care, welfare and women's rights and and such. It's almost as if they really don't care and just want a way to trouble, burden and make life difficult for young women
Pokebball Posted March 31 Posted March 31 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure, at some point. But what's strange is that once the child is born, Conservatives want a hands off approach, to things like health care, welfare and women's rights and and such. It's almost as if they really don't care and just want a way to trouble, burden and make life difficult for young women So? How does this change the point that, at some point, the child taking precedence, should occur?
Doc Posted March 31 Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Sure, at some point. But what's strange is that once the child is born, Conservatives want a hands off approach, to things like health care, welfare and women's rights and and such. It's almost as if they really don't care and just want a way to trouble, burden and make life difficult for young women This is hogwash. Conservatives don't want a "hands off approach" to children once they're born. That's liberals. And once the child is born, adoption is an option. 1
Tiberius Posted March 31 Posted March 31 45 minutes ago, Doc said: This is hogwash. Conservatives don't want a "hands off approach" to children once they're born. That's liberals. And once the child is born, adoption is an option. Oh stop, no one would have health insurance, children included, if the GOP had their way 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 1 Posted April 1 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: You don't understand the voters changed parties? The Dems did civil rights and the Conservatives went over to the GOP, pretty simple to get, really Well, Conservative Democrats were in charge of Jim Crow, KKK and the rest, so hope you are blaming liberals for that is beyond me Ah, you’re referring to the southern Rapture, when everything was one way then suddenly it became something else. The phrase “pretty simple” definitely applies to your analysis! 3
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 1 Posted April 1 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: Sure, at some point. But what's strange is that once the child is born, Conservatives want a hands off approach, to things like health care, welfare and women's rights and and such. It's almost as if they really don't care and just want a way to trouble, burden and make life difficult for young women Good for you, Tibs, to acknowledge at some point, you become pro-life. What point in a normal, healthy pregnancy is that for you? What would you think is a reasonable point for our society to transition from the right of a person to terminate a pregnancy, to concern for the life of the child? Let’s assume carve outs exist for reasons such as sexual assault, etc. 1 1
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