Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws

[B-Man]

13 hours ago, SCBills said:

Lovely…

 

 

 

 

Murder for hire

 

 

 

Warren Hern kills babies for a living.

 

It is his calling. He has been doing it for over 50 years, and at 84 he seems determined to continue doing it until he keels over from exhaustion.

 

The Atlantic has a long and disturbing profile on this man , a doctor who willingly kills children at the latest points in pregnancy.

 

So late, in fact, that most of his colleagues would refuse to consider the job.

 

Healthy, third-trimester “fetuses.” Babies that are viable outside the womb. Because pregnancy is a health crisis, if you think it is.

 

If killing an infant will make a mother happy, Hern is there to do it for you. As late into the pregnancy as you would like.

 

About half of Hern’s abortions are due to women who wanted a child but a dangerous medical condition arose, often fetal abnormalities that would lead to short lives and hard deaths. But the rest are for personal reasons. A divorce, or the child developing into the wrong sex.

 

The baby won’t accessorize that particular person’s life at that moment, so time to move on.

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/16/murder-for-hire-n551076

[BillStime]

North Carolina will vote blue no matter who in 2024.

 

So much winning - right?

[Tiberius]

Leaders of the antiabortion movement gathered in Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago office last week to head off what they viewed as a potential crisis.

The former president’s reelection campaign had recently said that abortion restrictions “should be decided at the state level.” Days later, his rival, former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, delivered a speech arguing against federal abortion limits that did not have enough votes to pass both chambers of Congress.

Trump’s guests, including Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America President Marjorie Dannenfelser, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins and Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), showed him polling from the GOP firm On Message Public Strategies suggesting that a majority of Americans supported limiting the procedure after 15 weeks.

They insisted that the federal government must still have a role. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/18/abortion-bans-republicans-2024/

[SCBills]

On 5/16/2023 at 9:10 PM, BillStime said:

North Carolina will vote blue no matter who in 2024.

 

So much winning - right?

That’s far closer to where most North Carolinians reside on the issue than where Roy Cooper advocates.  
 

What sick world do you live in, where 12 weeks is just a bridge too far?

 

I can understand pushback to heartbeat bans, but 12 weeks?.. with exceptions after 12 weeks?  
 

What tf is wrong with you people? 
 

 

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

That’s far closer to where most North Carolinians reside on the issue than where Roy Cooper advocates.  
 

What sick world do you live in, where 12 weeks is just a bridge too far?

 

I can understand pushback to heartbeat bans, but 12 weeks?.. with exceptions after 12 weeks?  
 

What tf is wrong with you people? 
 

 

I have an issue with laws dictating what women can and cannot do with their body.

 

You would fight tooth and nail if governments were forcing teen men and single males to get vasectomies, right?

Yup

 

 

 

[Pokebball]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I have an issue with laws dictating what women can and cannot do with their body.

 

You would fight tooth and nail if governments were forcing teen men and single males to get vasectomies, right?

Yup

 

 

 

Kinda an extreme false equivalency, don't you think? Comparing an act of killing a human life to sterilization? Wouldn't your point work better if you used hysterectomy to vasectomy, or perhaps mom killing the baby to dad killing the baby?

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I have an issue with laws dictating what women can and cannot do with their body.

 

You would fight tooth and nail if governments were forcing teen men and single males to get vasectomies, right?

Yup

 

 

 

Do men have the ability to terminate a pregnancy?

 

Weird, yet predictable, false equivalency. 
 

Most WOMEN support protections for the unborn life at some point in the pregnancy.  
 

The overturning of Roe has blinded people like you to the fact that poll after poll of Americans, Western World, the entire planet, all people, majority support protections for the unborn life massively in the third trimester and majority at some point in the second trimester.  
 

Im pro-life, and would settle for a 12 week ban, with exceptions after for the life of the mother and severe fetal abnormalities…. I am very much in line with most Americans.   And North Carolina, is a pretty mainstream state… lean red, but not by a ton. 
 

Brian Kemp was re-elected by a landslide after enacting a heartbeat ban.  
 

Enjoy this while you can, because the political capital will eventually run out as we get further and further from the overturning of Roe. 
 

Most people aren’t heartless ghouls that think babies deserve zero protection at any point until they are birthed.  And it seems libs are completely incapable of that nuance. 
 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by SCBills

[Tiberius]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Do men have the ability to terminate a pregnancy?

 

Weird, yet predictable, false equivalency. 
 

Most WOMEN support protections for the unborn life at some point in the pregnancy.  
 

The overturning of Roe has blinded people like you to the fact that poll after poll of Americans, Western World, the entire planet, all people, majority support protections for the unborn life massively in the third trimester and majority at some point in the second trimester.  
 

Im pro-life, and would settle for a 12 week ban, with exceptions after for the life of the mother and severe fetal abnormalities…. I am very much in line with most Americans.   And North Carolina, is a pretty mainstream state… lean red, but not by a ton. 
 

Brian Kemp was re-elected by a landslide after enacting a heartbeat ban.  
 

Enjoy this while you can, because the political capital will eventually run out as we get further and further from the overturning of Roe. 
 

Most people aren’t heartless ghouls that think babies deserve zero protection at any point until they are birthed.  And it seems libs are completely incapable of that nuance. 
 

 

Political capital will not run out, its going to be a factor at every level of politics, with each new judge appointed etc, Brian Kemp is just one politician, the midterms are a much wider and more encompassing measuring stick 

[Pokebball]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Political capital will not run out, its going to be a factor at every level of politics, with each new judge appointed etc, Brian Kemp is just one politician, the midterms are a much wider and more encompassing measuring stick 

Just like we're seeing play out in the states, there will have to be a compromise from the two extremes. Most Americans are not for either extreme. Whether the compromise on the issue happens state by state or at the federal level, the result will have to be a reasonable compromise. And we're not going to get to a reasonable compromise unless we're willing to have serious conversations about abortion. Emotions and screaming aren't going to get anyone there.

Edited May 18, 2023 by Pokebball

[Tiberius]

30 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Just like we're seeing play out in the states, there will have to be a compromise from the two extremes. Most Americans are not for either extreme. Whether the compromise on the issue happens state by state or at the federal level, the result will have to be a reasonable compromise. And we're not going to get to a reasonable compromise unless we're willing to have serious conversations about abortion. Emotions and screaming aren't going to get anyone there.

So ya, it will continue to be an issue, which is my point 

[Pokebball]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So ya, it will continue to be an issue, which is my point 

I guess I'm saying it will continue to be an issue for both sides and is going to require compromise by both extremes.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 5/15/2023 at 9:51 PM, SCBills said:

Lovely…

 

 

how did the abortionist know it was a girl? 

11 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Just like we're seeing play out in the states, there will have to be a compromise from the two extremes. Most Americans are not for either extreme. Whether the compromise on the issue happens state by state or at the federal level, the result will have to be a reasonable compromise. And we're not going to get to a reasonable compromise unless we're willing to have serious conversations about abortion. Emotions and screaming aren't going to get anyone there.

Nobody wants a compromise even if they want a compromise. This issue is easy red meat polarization for as long as it’s in flux. 
 

A reasonable compromise would be a rally cry killer. 

[BillStime]

18 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Kinda an extreme false equivalency, don't you think? Comparing an act of killing a human life to sterilization? Wouldn't your point work better if you used hysterectomy to vasectomy, or perhaps mom killing the baby to dad killing the baby?

18 hours ago, SCBills said:

Do men have the ability to terminate a pregnancy?

False equivalency? Bullshitttt

 

Men are 50% responsible for EVERY pregnancy.

 

18 hours ago, SCBills said:

Most WOMEN support protections for the unborn life at some point in the pregnancy.  
 

The overturning of Roe has blinded people like you to the fact that poll after poll of Americans, Western World, the entire planet, all people, majority support protections for the unborn life massively in the third trimester and majority at some point in the second trimester.  

Yeah bro - please keep telling yourself that. 
 

The red wave that never happened and all the recent elections suggest otherwise.

 

18 hours ago, SCBills said:

Most people aren’t heartless ghouls that think babies deserve zero protection at any point until they are birthed.  And it seems libs are completely incapable of that nuance. 

Heartless ghouls?
 

JFC you try so hard

 

When you FREAKS start showing compassion for actual children - maybe, just maybe we can discuss what is and what is not appropriate CONTROL over women.

 

Cuz this clearly has nothing to do with kids or the uNbOrN.

 

 

So after dancing around the topic - you don’t mind controlling women but don’t you dare control men.

 

Typical misogynist

 

jfc

 

[Tommy Callahan]

18 hours ago, Pokebball said:

I guess I'm saying it will continue to be an issue for both sides and is going to require compromise by both extremes.

at this point one almost has to treat the extremes as outliers and leave them out of the equation/solution.

 

But the extreme voices seem to have the most financial support. IE PACS.

 

Across a number of issues.  

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

And if the supreme court ruled its not a federal issue. how could Trump or the DEMS outlaw or make it legal on the federal level?

 

EU has everything from countries with outright bans, to limits anywhere from 10 to 24 weeks. but almost nothing after

 

 

Would the US Accept anything close to that?  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe

 

"12 weeks (Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Georgia, Greece, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Mongolia, Norway, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Ukraine, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan)

13 weeks (Italy)

14 weeks (Argentina, Austria, Cambodia, France, Germany, Hungary, Romania and Spain)

18 weeks (Sweden)

22 weeks (North Macedonia)

24 weeks (Singapore, Netherlands[40])

viability (to some extent the United States)

no limit (Canada, some states in the United States, China, and North Korea)"

 

 

 

 

[SCBills]

Leaked DeSantis talking points allegedly address how he will discuss abortion as a Presidential candidate. 
 

Believes abortion should be “Safe, Legal and Rare”.  
 

SCOTUS returned the decision to the states.  
 

He signed a law that reflects the citizens of Florida. 
 

As President, states should decide their own abortion laws. 

IF this is how he does end up addressing it.  He should neutralize the attacks from Dems on this issue.   He’ll never win over those who are furious he, as Governor, signed a 6 week abortion ban in deep red Florida … but he will win Florida easily in a GE, and just needs to convince pro-choice folks open to him in the other 49 states that this isn’t a Federal issue any longer (which is accurate) and he won’t seek to ever make it one again. 
 

Edited May 29, 2023 by SCBills

[Doc]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Leaked DeSantis talking points allegedly address how he will discuss abortion as a Presidential candidate. 
 

Believes abortion should be “Safe, Legal and Rare”.  
 

SCOTUS returned the decision to the states.  
 

He signed a law that reflects the citizens of Florida. 
 

As President, states should decide their own abortion laws. 

IF this is how he does end up addressing it.  He should neutralize the attacks from Dems on this issue.   He’ll never win over those who are furious he, as Governor, signed a 6 week abortion ban in deep red Florida … but he will win Florida easily in a GE, and just needs to convince pro-choice folks open to him in the other 49 states that this isn’t a Federal issue any longer (which is accurate) and he won’t seek to ever make it one again. 
 

 

My colleague said he heard that DeSantis was talking about a federal 6 week ban.  I didn't hear about that and searched it, and all I found was Florida's.  That might make it tougher, but if he frames it like above, and I have no doubt he will, that will help.

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

My colleague said he heard that DeSantis was talking about a federal 6 week ban.  I didn't hear about that and searched it, and all I found was Florida's.  That might make it tougher, but if he frames it like above, and I have no doubt he will, that will help.

If he does, he will need to find a way to take that message directly to people. the usual voices will promote the "he wants a federal 6-week ban" Nonstop.

[SCBills]

40 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

If he does, he will need to find a way to take that message directly to people. the usual voices will promote the "he wants a federal 6-week ban" Nonstop.

The leak about DeSantis re-coining the phrase “safe, legal and rare”..

 

if true..

 

Brilliant.  
 

It will stick, and people remember what that meant.   That was the view of most Democrats 10 years ago.  

[Wacka]

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

 

I posted this when the decision came down. Roe vs Wade violated the Tenth Amendment. This ruling remedied that. It is a state matter, not a federal one.