Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws

[Big Blitz]

16 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I’ll never forget standing next to my wife while she was administered methotrexate to abort the ectopic pregnancy.

 

 

 

That’s not an abortion.  
 

 

“Treating an ectopic pregnancy is different from having an abortion. Abortion is an intentional, unnatural procedure that kills the baby in the womb. An ectopic procedure, in contrast, attempts to save the life of both mother and unborn child. A number of  treatment options are available, but each seeks to separate the embryo from the fallopian tubes.  

 

Since abortion has been the cheap and easy option for so long, improvements in women’s health have not kept up with science. Medical technology is not able to reimplant the embryo in the uterus, saving the life of the baby. A miscarriage is tragically inevitable.

 

 

Unlike abortion, the goal in an ectopic pregnancy is to save the life of the baby.
 

Bold, state-level protections for life will likely lead to innovations in ectopic care in the near future.”
 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Big Blitz

[B-Man]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

That’s not an abortion.  
 

 

 

 

 

This has been explained countless times, with documentation.

 

Only those with a agenda push it.

 

 

 

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[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

That’s not an abortion.

The hospital discharge papers state otherwise. 

[B-Man]

 

 

From the Planned Parenthood site, I presume that you will read their site.

 

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/ectopic-pregnancy#

 

 

Untreated ectopic pregnancies can cause internal bleeding, infection, and in some cases lead to death. When you have an ectopic pregnancy, it’s extremely important to get treatment from a doctor as soon as possible. 

 

Ectopic pregnancies are unsafely outside of your uterus (usually in the fallopian tubes), and are removed with a medicine called methotrexate or through a laparoscopic surgical procedure. The medical procedures for terminating a pregnancy in the uterus are usually different from the medical procedures for terminating an ectopic pregnancy.

 

 

 

ADDED:

 

By the way, this why I blamed the physicians in the Texas example given by goose.

 

Texas laws say treatments for miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies remain legal but leave lots of space for confusion

Treatments for certain pregnancy complications are distinct from abortions under Texas laws, experts say, but confusion has already limited some patients’ access to life-saving procedures and medicines.

BY MARÍA MÉNDEZ

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/20/texas-abortion-law-miscarriages-ectopic-pregnancies/

[BillStime]

Live of shot of @B-Man

 

 

 

Typical MAGA hypocrite.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by BillStime

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Live of shot @B-Man

 

 

 

Typical MAGA hypocrite.

 

 

Don't you think it makes more sense for Republicans to encourage Democrats to abort all their children so over time the problems and chaos their policies are causing will be resolved through extinction?   

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Don't you think it makes more sense for Republicans to encourage Democrats to abort all their children so over time the problems and chaos their policies are causing will be resolved through extinction?   

 

Well, since no one can really prevent an abortion... your cult is arming every degenerate to take out liberals, right?

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

Well, since no one can really prevent an abortion... your cult is arming every degenerate to take out liberals, right?

 

The problem with your argument is, that as is typical of you, the comparison you present is not consistent with reality as you "cherry pick" examples of behavior.  How about some photo ops of leftist looting stores and starting fires?  Denying reality and causing chaos are the two basic pillars of your cult's ideology.  

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The problem with your argument is, that as is typical of you, the comparison you present is not consistent with reality as you "cherry pick" examples of behavior.  How about some photo ops of leftist looting stores and starting fires?  Denying reality and causing chaos are the two basic pillars of your cult's ideology.  

 

Wait - how so?  Both are "killing" in your mind, right?

 

Then you jump to looting?

 

smfh

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

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[Tiberius]

On 11/3/2022 at 8:59 PM, BillStime said:

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Yup 

[BillStime]

Vote blue no matter who

 

 

[Tiberius]

Polls missed the Dem surge in Kansas for the abortion vote! By like 19 points!

 

 

Go Dems! Beat the Con Men, make them go back and sell Trump U and Build the Wall scams 

[B-Man]

 

 

Absolutely Dobbs Was Worth It

BY: DAVID HARSANYI

 

There’s little evidence the Dobbs decision is sinking Republicans

 

Conventional DC wisdom says Republicans are about to pay a heavy political price for supporting the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v Wade.

 

The prospects of a Red Wave election are deteriorating. An “invisible army of women” are flocking to register to vote. Dobbs had fired up Democrats. Joe Biden’s fortunes, miserable only a few months ago, have suddenly turned around. The Economist says that cheering on Dobbs was “one of the worst political decisions of recent memory.”

 

Even if all of this were true, and I’m highly skeptical it is, “cheering on” the Dobbs decision was completely worth it. Just as cheering the overturning of Dred Scott or Schenck was worth it.

 

Not everything is about short-term partisan gain.

 

You might also cheer because if someone had told you ten, or even five, years ago that Roe v. Wade would be overturned, you wouldn’t have believed them. Roe has been treated as a sacred text for over 50 years, not only by the press but by most of our institutions. The “right” to terminate life for convenience’s sake had been irrecoverably tethered to feminism and progress. For millions, it probably remains the only SCOTUS decision they can name. And once the left procures a new “right,” it rarely relinquishes it. The prospect of there being six justices willing to uphold the Constitution in the face of this immense pressure was improbable, to say the least.

 

So, yes, cheer.

 

And, surely, once Roe was overturned, there would be a tumultuous political upheaval with a massive price tag? Even if we accept everything we’re hearing about the political fallout over Dobbs, the blowback is quite underwhelming. If a two-point swing in the presidential approval rating during a midterm election is the price for overturning Roe, then it was maybe the greatest bargain in history. The consequences of Dobbs will dwarf that of, say, Obamacare — which cost Democrats the Senate, House, and over a thousand seats in lower races. Indeed, most Dems didn’t wring their hands and regret the vote.

 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/12/hell-yes-dobbs-was-worth-it/

 

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More at the link:

[Tiberius]

 

[BillStime]

Guess it mattered, eh?

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Guess it mattered, eh?

Umm, yes. 
The good news is this: Justice Alito said “turn it back to the states.” So far every ballot initiative to protect abortion rights has passed or is passing. Even in deep red states like Kansas and Kentucky (so far, by a hair). 
So here comes the “who said the people of the states should decide? We need a federal law banning abortion.”

So maybe it wasn’t about states’ rights and the federal system after all ….

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Umm, yes. 
The good news is this: Justice Alito said “turn it back to the states.” So far every ballot initiative to protect abortion rights has passed or is passing. Even in deep red states like Kansas and Kentucky (so far, by a hair). 
So here comes the “who said the people of the states should decide? We need a federal law banning abortion.”

So maybe it wasn’t about states’ rights and the federal system after all ….

i don’t understand the concern about putting it back to states from you political perspective. It can be put and the ballet and voted on directly. Red states can err toward restricting abortion and blue states can make it available free on every street corner. 
 

all scoutus said was this isn’t really called out in the constitution therefore not federal. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

i don’t understand the concern about putting it back to states from you political perspective. It can be put and the ballet and voted on directly. Red states can err toward restricting abortion and blue states can make it available free on every street corner. 
 

all scoutus said was this isn’t really called out in the constitution therefore not federal. 

Nobody in blue states, that understand abortion law, is concerned. 

It’s a political football for dumb people.  
 

Smart people who want power just throw it around. 
 

Hochul convinced people Zeldin was going to make abortion illegal in NY.   There’s absolutely zero chance he can do anything to abortion if he wanted to, but most voters are easily manipulated and/or lack intelligence (on both sides)

 

Edited November 9, 2022 by SCBills